Hello everybody and welcome to the RDM podcast.
My name is Rabbi Daniel Malinga.
Aliens, do they exist?
Where are they?
Are they here?
What are extraterrestrial beings?
UFOs, unidentified flying objects, and the rest.
And does the Bible have something to say about that?
It's a very, very, very controversial message
for some people because the Church tries to avoid it.
So today, I decided let us become controversial
and discuss the topic.
So in the studio with me are the brave people.
On my left is my co-host.
My co-host, Afimani Mani Bagz-McLean.
You're welcome, sir.
Good to be here, man.
On the far left is Apostle Abraham Mirembe,
Apostle of Foodfulness, affiliated with Watchman Ministries.
You're very welcome, sir.
Good to be here, sir.
It's always a joy.
Yes, sir.
And on the right is Derek Moreva of Watchman Ministries.
The ministry focuses on the entire message
and he's an alien enthusiast.
And he has a lot of information.
So especially when it comes to end times,
and we think aliens have something to do with that as well.
So we'll have a discussion and see how far we can go.
So gentlemen, we're going to dive into the conversation.
And we're going to kick it off with the most obvious question.
Do aliens exist?
Yes.
They exist.
Apostle.
I think using the language that people understand
that they are aliens, of course,
meaning that they are not habitats of Earth.
I do believe they exist.
They are beings outside Earth.
But we are here to see who are those beings.
OK.
Derek.
The enthusiast.
The enthusiast agrees.
Yes, they do exist.
So you agree that aliens exist.
So how?
I don't even know how to take this conversation,
because there's so many directions we can go in it.
But I'm going to read for you something
to show you that the discussion that we're having
is not just out of the blue.
These things are not imagined.
We're going to go into the realm of fact first
and then try to discuss the fact.
OK.
So fact number one.
And I could have gone as far back as history,
but I decided to come into our present age.
Something close to us.
Fact number one.
Have you heard of Rosewell?
OK.
Rosewell is a place in USA.
Rosewell, New Mexico.
In 1947, they recovered a flying disc or flying saucer.
OK.
One of the earliest times in our near century
where they discovered something of a kind.
1947.
At that time, it was even written in the papers
and acknowledged that a flying saucer has been discovered.
1947.
Of course, after that, the government decided to recant.
But there's no way that thing would have been put out
unless there was something behind it.
That's 1947.
1954.
During a football game in Italy, Florence, Italy,
10,000 people saw UFOs flying over the stadium.
10,000 eyewitnesses, fact.
1989.
A man called Bob Lazar.
I don't know if you guys know about Bob Lazar.
I've just heard about him.
Now, Bob Lazar is probably at the center of everything alien
in terms of the discussions in this time and age.
1989, he was a whistleblower who claimed
to have worked in Area 51.
You've heard of Area 51?
Yes.
OK.
Now, he came out in the 1980s, 1989.
He comes out and says, not only do UFOs exist,
he had been working on them.
And he saw nine others in that US base called Area 51.
Now, the interesting thing is that that base is built
into the mountain so that you can't see it from satellite
and you can't look over it.
So you have to go inside the facility in the mountain
to be able to access what's inside there.
Very top secret.
He's the one who popularized the Area 51.
So after him, things went crazy.
Now, here's the interesting thing about Bob Lazar.
People call him a liar, conspiracy theorist.
The things that he talked about in the 1980s
have started to surface themselves,
to show that he actually was speaking some truth.
The technology he talked about, the things that he saw,
they're starting to show up.
After 30 years, people are looking back at him now
and they're like, maybe Bob Lazar wasn't so crazy.
1989, OK?
1994, 60 children at school in Zimbabwe.
This is crazy.
So 60 children at school in Zimbabwe.
And apparently, a flying saucer comes,
lands in the middle.
This is Africa now, in case we think these things happen
only in America, because you can think in the movies
that the aliens only live in the US.
So a flying saucer lands in the middle of the playground
of a school in Rua, Zimbabwe.
And 60 children see it.
And they all had the same statement,
that they saw a being come out.
There were two beings, one on top of the flying saucer,
another one walked out.
And when the one that walked out,
they asked them, how did it look like?
He said, a being about six feet tall
with funny eyes, like a rugby ball.
Yes, yes.
And so they describe these beings.
Now, given that there are a lot of people
who have questioned these kids
and found that they all have the same story,
we can only deduce that it's impossible
for hallucination to happen at the same time.
It's impossible, hallucinations don't happen like that.
So fucked, that must have been something.
And I'll give you one final one.
Now, here's the thing, 2021,
the Pentagon releases three videos,
acknowledging that they have come in contact
with unidentified flying objects
and they released pictures of them.
I have the videos of them, we'll show a few clips.
Fact, this is the Pentagon.
So, what I'm trying to lay here
is that what we're discussing is not fantasy.
It is fact, only it's a reality.
The only issue now is, how do we connect it to scripture?
Is this stuff biblical?
And where are we heading?
Apostle.
Wow, glory to God.
Something is happening here.
There are a lot of facts that have taken place.
Actually, thank you so much for bringing that preamble
to show people that have been living self-denial
that these things exist.
The truth, and we want to speak,
to communicate especially to the church,
the truth is that these beings exist.
But as the question goes,
like, do we locate them somewhere in the Bible?
And I would like to start with a certain scripture,
which is going to open our eyes.
In the book of Matthew, chapter 24,
and in the book of Luke, chapter 17,
there is something that Jesus said there.
Jesus quotes and says,
as it was in the days of Noah, you understand?
Now, most people think that that statement just ends there.
It is a deep statement.
Remember last time, there's a time when we were here
and we talked when Jesus again made a statement.
They remember Noah's wife.
And that statement is also heavy.
But now let us go back, because in those two scriptures,
Jesus emphasizes that as it was in the days of Noah,
and also as it was in the days of Lot,
of course as it was in the days of Lot
would be another discussion for itself.
But now, I want people to understand
why did Jesus say as it was in the days of Noah,
so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man.
Now, we are in the last days.
All of people have no doubt about it.
And these are the days where,
these are the days referred to as the days
of the coming of the Son of Man.
So Jesus says, as it was in the days of Noah,
so shall it be in these days
when Jesus is about to come in the rapture
and in the intersecund coming.
Now, we want to examine and see
what was in the days of Noah.
Because he says, as it was in those days.
Now, most people are used to quoting
I mean, men marrying and giving in marriage and everything.
That is the obvious one.
But there are other scripture things
that happened during the days of Noah
that actually brought the floods.
Because the flood is almost, it was like an end time.
I don't know whether you have noticed what I'm saying.
Like people who are hearing us,
the time of the flood is when God ended a certain,
there was an end.
And after the floods, there was a new beginning.
Now, we are also going into another end of the age
or the end of the world.
Now, what caused God to bring floods
was to destroy people.
Now, the Bible says, according to Genesis chapter six,
when you're reading it,
it says that it was only Noah who was found righteous.
Now, you remember that in the days of Noah,
there was no law.
Right.
You know that, eh?
So, what was the judgment of righteousness?
What's the basis?
What was the basis of righteousness?
Now, the righteousness there that is written
that Noah was the only one found righteous.
It was the righteous that,
because the Bible says that it gives an account
that the watchers, the angels who are sent to watch
were literally not on earth,
but they were sent to watch men on earth.
They admired women, women of men, women of the flesh,
because they were beautiful to look onto.
And they started to mingle with them sexually,
you understand?
And they started to give,
they produced another beings which had a DNA
which was not according to the DNA of God.
I'm just giving you some about what you see.
So, Noah's righteousness was a DNA purity.
So, Noah's righteousness was meaning DNA purity,
the DNA of God.
Noah and his family was the only family
which was not affected by the DNA of these beings,
the fallen angels.
Now, I want you to imagine that these are spirit beings,
mixing themselves with physical men, men of the flesh,
and they are producing, now, according to history,
it is proven that they started to produce
a certain race of men called the Nephal, the Nephilim,
you understand?
Men who were abnormal for so to look at.
And the Bible talks about them that they were men of renown.
They were so tall, giant, they were very abnormal.
And, you know, events that have come over,
have proved that giants existed.
Now, giants were a result of these spiritual beings
called the Watchers, sent on earth by God to watch over men,
but they rather, actually, the book of Jude,
Jude quotes them and say, they left their habitation.
Now, I want people to understand that the habitation there
is not necessarily a certain realm,
because your body is your habitation.
Interesting.
Your body is your habitation.
Your spirit and your habitation is your body.
So what the Bible says, when Jude said they left,
they did not keep their habitation,
is that somehow, because they are physical beings,
they left that extraterrestrial body
that was given to them, and they put on another habitation
so that they would be able to come and mix themselves
with, you know, women, like in sexual activity.
I'm going to put a pause there,
because that's interesting, yes.
Later, we're going to ask you.
So then, that means that there are people now
who are putting on human bodies,
but they are not, we will talk about that.
Okay, Derek.
Yes, so, thanks so much for that introduction.
And, you know, if, you know,
there are believers who find it hard to believe
in the existence of aliens.
So, let me give an illustration
through the story of creation.
We know, so he says, in the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth.
Heavens, but one earth.
And then he says that, then now he begins to break down
the things he's going to create,
and I'll divide them into three.
The first is he creates animals and plants.
Right.
These are intelligent life forms, you know.
Then the second, he creates humans,
which we know that humans are the only part of creation,
which is created after his image.
Yes.
And lastly, he creates the extraterrestrials.
He creates, okay, he creates the angels.
Yeah, those are extraterrestrials.
He creates the other life forms, living creatures.
There are seraphims, there are cherubim,
creatures with six wings, with eyes all over them, you know.
And when we see pictures of aliens,
it looks like there's a sort of a bearing,
a similarity, many eyes, many wings.
And then there are other things.
There are 24 elders.
They are the four living creatures, yeah?
Which have four different faces,
and we've seen pictures of things like that.
So now, if a Christian finds it hard
to believe that extraterrestrials exist, yeah?
They'll say, okay, I believe angels,
but these are the creatures I don't,
because angels are not the only extraterrestrials
that were created.
Correct.
There are other intelligent life forms,
which exist beyond the earth, yeah.
So it's plain and simple
that we are not the only people in this universe.
Maki.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's a good background.
That's a good starting point.
First, for people to understand what we mean by aliens,
because I know some people at the moment,
we say aliens, I think I'm not watching.
But this is the thing,
the church needs to pay attention to this,
because at the end of the day, it's bound to happen.
It's coming, it's here, okay?
We've seen the evidence from the Vatican.
We've seen the evidence from the news channels.
If you're paying attention, you have seen that.
Recently, NASA released images.
That's something I believe we'll talk about later on.
But aliens are real.
And I like the expansion you guys have put
on the definition of aliens, just so you understand.
Aliens, it is something that is out of your stratosphere.
Okay, something that's out of this realm
that you're familiar with.
So basically, if we also went to the moon,
and let's say on the moon, they were beings there.
There was a civilization there.
They would look at us as aliens.
So if we can just understand that,
then we can flow with the rest of this discussion.
So.
So, you know, when you look through all these news items
and historical events, their paintings actually,
thousands of years back, church paintings on,
with Jesus at a cross somewhere,
and there are alien beings on it.
You guys know that painting.
Then there are some are carved into architectural,
archeological sites that were found and so on and so forth.
So we know that this thing goes far back.
These beings have been coming around.
And we know that they have a technology
that we do not seem to have access to.
There's a link between that and Genesis 6,
where in the book of Enoch, it says these guys fell
and they had, they thought that the men,
they gave them new technology.
Actually, when you're saying that,
it reminds me of, there's something
that was when I was doing my own research.
There's this proof that every civilization
that has existed at some point had an interaction
with an alien race.
It's the alien race that gave them an idea,
especially where you find there is culture of a form.
There was an alien that was involved in that.
So when we look at, let's say the farming tools
and where civilization started from,
where technology started from,
we know that an alien introduced that technology.
Before it's time, there is an account later on
that we'll get into of a lady in the US
who is a hypnotherapist.
Her account is similar to the one that we've talked about
of Credo Mutua of the Anunnaki.
And that story cuts across everywhere.
Now, Credo Mutua was an African
and for him, he gave the account
of all African cultures or sort of.
And this lady is giving an account
of what happens in the US.
So it cuts across.
We're going to go into that,
because I want people to know,
you know who Credo Mutua is?
Credo Mutua, you know who Credo Mutua is?
Credo Mutua was an African Sanusi,
guy from South Africa.
He died at the age of 98, I think in 2020.
But he said he was amongst the group of people.
He said all over the earth,
there are people who keep the history of the earth.
Now, there's something Credo Mutua said.
I'm glad you brought him up.
Because he believed that aliens exist.
And it's usually very strange to hear that
from an African cultural leader or something like that.
And he said he had encountered these beings.
He described them and he talked about these grays.
Even talked about, he said one time he watched Star Trek,
and of Star Wars, and this being with hair,
I've forgotten his name.
And so he said, that looks exactly someone,
this the person who came up with this character,
must have seen what I saw.
And he said, so many of these people grab these things
from things that they've experienced, reality.
Now, he said, like you were saying,
most tribes in Africa, not tribes, okay.
Let me say.
Cultures, man.
Yeah, most cultures in Africa, okay.
Believe in a certain group of people
that were called demigods, that came,
and then suddenly disappeared.
Because in Uganda here, there's Batwazi.
But all over Africa, they're there.
Even if you went further than...
Actually, let me tell you, even in Uganda here,
there is the first king of Uganda called Chintu.
He somehow disappeared.
They will tell you he disappeared.
And when you go and watch where he stepped,
you see feet, which are abnormal feet,
you see they say this used to be his bed,
and it's a huge thing.
So it's a, was this a normal human being?
Okay, so it's in the cultures.
Now, one thing that I found interesting,
Credo Mutua said that these beings integrated,
just like the Bible says, integrated with human beings,
and their desire has always been
to be at the apex of society,
to control the narrative, to control, to have power.
And so he said, if you check through
most of the African leadership,
you'll find that throughout history,
and even in the present,
whenever two major candidates were standing,
he said, I can guarantee you,
one was always normal.
And the other one, or by normal I mean like a human,
and the other one was always considered someone
who came from a demigod kind of lineage,
they would declare it.
Like here in Uganda, we have that, you understand?
Actually these days it's very profound.
And you see now like Mandela was claimed
to have come from a demigod kind of,
there was a man who was supposed to be President
of South Africa before Mandela, but he died, okay?
Even Lumumba was killed,
the person who took over claimed to be from a demigod.
And he said, when people say things like that,
do not take it.
For granted.
And by your your truth,
like for example, for the case of Uganda,
it is very profound.
We are not speaking about something
which we are just heretical.
You go and check their Twitter accounts,
and they come out and they declare
that they are alone, that we are Batwazi.
And there's a way they are proud of it.
It's like testifying, it's like giving a testimony,
that look, we are here but we are not on our own.
Something, and actually when you go in them,
they believe that they are invincible.
They believe that they are kind of like sent
from another world to rule over this world.
To help you guys.
You understand?
They don't take themselves as normal
or like a nominal human being.
I was just expounding on that.
Okay.
But Derek, you believe,
because you know, if we look through the history,
we know that a lot of these at first,
people used to look at this as nonsense.
Now the FBI, I mean, NASA has come out
and Pentagon came out and said,
listen, we're seeing things in the sky
that we do not understand.
There's a video, I'm going to show you.
Just show me the picture.
There's what they call the Tic Tac UFO.
You'll take time and have a look at it.
It was a UFO in 2021.
Yes, they released this.
Now this is a picture, it's just a picture,
but we'll show you the video.
This is taken by, what, a person in a plane.
Okay, a pilot.
And this is what he encountered.
Now the word, it's not just him.
It was a number of people that saw this event.
Now this UFO event, they call it the Tic Tac UFO
because it was shaped like a Tic Tac.
If you know a Tic Tac shaped submarine kind of mood.
But it would fly like this with its belly up.
That's what I was saying.
Now the guy I was telling you about, Bob Lazar in 1980,
said that in Area 51, he saw a device,
a UFO device that would fly with its belly up.
And they said, this guy's just talking nonsense.
30 years later, this information is released
and they see what he talked about.
So now people are starting to take him seriously.
They're starting to take him seriously.
So my question is, and we're going to show
more pictures about this.
My question is, why do you think these things
just keep appearing and disappearing?
And why not just say, here we are?
Well, I believe for the most part
that it's because of the timing.
I know that the Lord has held back a lot of,
you know, the appearance of these things for, you know,
for the sake, for our sake,
because it would really throw us, you know, catch us off guard.
But now he has actually permitted,
we've entered a season where there is permission
for more of these things to happen,
for more visitations, for more,
because the intensity, if you look through history,
it's just intensifying, they're more and more increasing.
And now that, because we're in the end time and, you know,
these things have to physically now increase
in their appearance.
We're going to be seeing, because, you know,
people will say, yeah, we expect only to see angels.
Yeah, because they, because if it's a bias,
because you're a believer,
you're biased to only want to see angels.
But there are other beings which are going to show up
and it's going to be visible.
But let me ask a crazy question.
Why would spirits need a ship?
Because now you're coming to the realm of man.
This is a different atmosphere from what they're used to.
And they need a means of transportation.
And the form in which they are coming
is not in spirit form.
They're coming in a bodily form,
which is this gray body that they wear,
this gray suit.
They actually refer to also as grays, okay?
Now I just wanted to make a submission to that.
What you're saying in terms of why they're appearing now.
I have two reasons why I think they're appearing now.
And I love this subject because for me,
it's very fascinating.
So I have two schools of thought.
And which is my profound one is
because we're living in the end times.
The end times is the time when the sons of God
are supposed to manifest, okay?
The children of God are supposed to manifest.
It's what creation has been waiting for, okay?
To see the children of God,
display what God intended Adam to display
from the time of the beginning of creation, okay?
So because it is that time,
I think if God is going to punish the watchers,
the people who were given the responsibility
of managing Project Earth, if we can call it that,
if he's going to punish them,
which is what is going to happen?
And because he's a just God,
I think it would make sense for him to show them
why he's punishing them, you understand?
Because if they are not allowed to come and see
what they should have helped humanity achieve and do,
then it seems unfair to punish us when humanity,
let's say, was still at its low level,
where it could not manifest much.
You get what I'm saying?
So I believe they're being given this opportunity
because of judgment to come,
see what they should have done, but they did not.
Because immediately after this is when the rapture will happen
and then the end of the world will happen
and that's when they will be judged.
That's one thought.
The other thought is,
based on the reasons why they would want to come to Earth,
they know that their time is near.
Now, we're talking about aliens,
but we all understand that these are demons.
They are spirit beings, yes, but they are also demons.
In fact, I wanted to ask,
I wanted to ask is there a difference between an alien,
a demon, fallen angel?
These aliens specifically,
the ones who are coming to Earth,
the ones we're talking about,
I believe these ones are demons.
If we go by the definition of aliens that we get.
So these ones are demons.
And if they are coming on this Earth,
okay, they know their time is short.
At the end of the day,
they are going to come and try and corrupt men
and try and win this so-called battle that is coming.
Because when you study this whole agenda of transhumanism
and whatsoever and what AI is supposed to help to do,
it will be to help push man to that level.
When you go to the history of where men
are getting these kind of ideas of AI technology,
of nanotech and stuff like that,
it has a thing related to something outside our realm
that is influencing these ideas.
So if they're giving men these ideas,
my thought is they have been giving these ideas
from time immemorial, they used to let's say,
before they disappeared,
they were interacting with men.
Like you said, they were giving them that instruction.
Then men progressed to a point where
their spirituality grew and these beings had to pull backwards.
Man was in the forefront.
Then they started to whisper these things
and leave them in the air
to whoever can open up their spirit and talk.
Because the time is short now.
I believe they are now operating at a point of,
now we don't have time to do this from a distance.
We need to come there and tell you directly,
do this on ABCD.
Because I read this lady's book, Dolores Cannon.
She wrote a book, an interesting,
it's called Custodians Beyond Abduction.
It's about Dolores Cannon, okay?
And she's a psychotherapist.
And she has had several interviews with people
who have been abducted by aliens, okay?
And she says, when she has had these interactions
with these beings, they seem to believe that humans are slow.
In terms of our cognitive abilities,
they seem to believe humans are not as intelligent as them.
So the example she gave us,
and this is the reason I'm giving for why they're appearing.
She says, for example, when we speak,
we go word by word to create a sentence.
Let's say we want to say the word,
I'll use every word you can,
so that when someone checks, they can find it.
She said, for example, let's say the word Christmas.
When you say the word Christmas,
what is in that word?
What does that mean?
Someone else, for us as humans,
would just look at it as Christmas,
but she says there's a lot of understanding
in the word Christmas.
You can look at the birth of Jesus, the star,
you know, the wise man, herald, everything.
The whole story behind Christmas
is in that one word Christmas.
So she says when these beings operate,
when they're communicating telepathically,
they deposit that whole bunch of information
as the equivalent of you just saying Xmas.
Now, if that is how they think they operate,
and then they're looking at man who is just saying Xmas
and leaving it at that, it's what I'm saying.
This is why they feel like, you know what,
we can't do this from a distance.
We need to come there and try and quicken you guys up
so you can match up.
Before you go into it, because I wanted to add on something
because I never wanted, there's a question you asked,
that why should these beings come in vessels?
You remember, the whole street brought an account.
And as you answer that, also answer the question
I was going to ask, where do they come from?
When you say they come, where do they stay?
That's all I want.
Now, this is the issue.
You remember when Elisha saw the chariots?
Yes.
Now, could you explain to me what are those?
Because they say the chariots came and picked, you know,
it communicates to me that in heaven,
they are vessels that are used, you understand?
In the heavenly realm, they are vessels
because such a chariot came and it picked Elijah.
You understand?
So it is a vessel, it is a vessel of a certain form.
Maybe we need to go and discover
what exactly did Elisha saw picking Elijah,
but it was a vessel, it was a serious...
Even in Ezekiel's account, there's a wheel.
Yeah, you understand?
So they are vessels and probably,
they are just terrestrial vessels, extraterrestrial vessels.
We need to get to the ocelestial vessels, for so to say.
Okay.
And you said, where do they come from?
Now, this is also a biblical account.
You see, we have the first heaven,
the second heaven and the third heaven, you know?
Now God dwells in the third heaven,
the heaven of the heavens, you understand?
Now, there is something to do with the second heaven,
which people don't really, okay, understand very well.
Now, when you come scientifically, scientists,
you know, I'm an in-time student and teacher,
having learned it from my spiritual father, the watchman.
There is something that I want you guys to understand.
There is a lot of things that are going to take place
in these days that we need to be very careful of.
You remember one time, Robert, when we were here,
we talked about the spirit of deception.
Now deception is a lie which is organized to look like truth.
And it takes the Holy Spirit or a supernatural knowledge
to know that what I'm following after is simply a lie.
You understand it?
You can't use intellect to understand deception
because it is a move that is well organized.
Now, why am I bringing this in here?
It is because every time they ask Jesus
what will happen during the end times,
the first statement he made was,
beware that you are not deceived.
So the spirit of deception will be rampant
and it is a spiritual issue.
Now, why am I bringing still that?
I want people to notice this.
The realm where these beings come from
is what they call the second heaven.
Actually, they dwell there.
What Paul writes and said, the principalities.
Efficient six.
They understand in efficient six.
That now, to the normal explanation,
the scientists, not scientists, everyone,
they are trying to tell us and to prepare people
to tell them that aliens are coming from Mars.
You remember that talk which came when they were saying,
Mars, Martian beings.
But then they discover that Mars is just a new place.
When you see the pictures of Mars right now,
you realize there is no home.
But again, they have started,
because I was following and I saw,
they brought a picture where it appeared
as if there was a alien being on Mars, you understand.
And now let me tell you, if Mars be there,
and of course it is there,
it is just an empty space, you understand.
From the physical perspective.
From the physical perspective.
And now, what we should understand is that
there is a second heaven.
I'm going to explain this to the people and to all of us here.
Now, when the devil fell,
the rebellious army resides in the second heaven.
You understand?
He didn't fall on earth if he fell on heaven.
He didn't fall on earth.
It is in the second heaven.
Now, most of the things we are seeing
that are coming here, as you have been explaining to people,
how these people think that we think slow,
I mean, these aliens.
Now, they are coming from there.
They are bringing a knowledge,
because remember that these were heavenly beings.
They once existed in heaven.
And they tested the power of the ages to come.
Do you know that?
True.
The power, the ages that we are going to exist in eternity.
They have those powers.
Now, all of you will agree with me
that those powers are superior.
That's why we call them supernatural.
They are more superior than the powers we exist in,
in the physical realm, where we stay here.
So when it comes, now, those are the powers
that are coming in form of technology.
You understand?
Everything we see that is taking place,
the communications that we are using and everything,
they are, do you know that most people
have discovered these high-tech things?
They somehow have a connection to that world.
But not the world of God, to that spiritual world,
but not the world of God.
For example, they will tell you,
this guy of Apple, Steve Jobs,
he went and he was a Dalai Lema,
you know that those guys,
and he took him somewhere,
because these things had refused.
So he took him there and he told him how to meditate.
So in the process of meditation,
he started to pick most of these things,
and do you know why he calls his, whatever, Apple?
It's because he says that guy who told him,
he used to like Apple, to eat apples.
Now, he went through meditation,
which is, of course, a spiritual opening,
he went and started to make these beings,
and they gave him the kind of technology that we see.
Now, most people, probably, it is amazing to them,
but that's the truth.
Okay.
Or else we have to say the truth.
I'm saying that these things come from the second heaven.
Okay.
All right.
That's a point, because he's talking about communication,
but I wanted to add to that.
It's interesting that you mentioned Steve Jobs and Apple,
because I'm seeing Apple.
I'm seeing Apple, but everyone.
He's just trying not to fire a shorts one.
On behalf of the Android users, I'll give people.
Get behind a sutter.
But you know, when you mentioned about the end time delusion,
I would like, you know, because I imagine
somebody is watching us right now,
and he's saying, these guys must be deluded.
But let me give an illustration from scripture,
because we are speaking about aliens
and outer space activities.
Now, I asked myself a question,
why isn't the church participating in astrology
and astronomy?
Yeah, because astronomy studies the universe
and what lies beyond it,
but then astrology studies about how,
looks at how those things that are beyond our universe,
rather things in the universe affect life on earth.
For instance, when Jesus is born,
no, let me use this illustration.
When Jesus is born, yeah, we see that there's a star,
which I believe was a conjunction of probably two planets,
Jupiter and Saturn, but that's up for argument.
But there's a star, right?
That's number one.
And when these people follow the star,
they know that there is, number one,
there is a king who has been born.
This king is a king of the Jews, yeah?
And they travel to find that king of the Jews
and thirdly, to worship him.
So they know there's someone who has been born
and he's so important that we have to worship him.
So I asked myself, why isn't the church
present in things like astrology?
Because we don't apply, we've only applied it as far as
Monday, Tuesday, January, February,
not when you should start a business, for instance,
not when your child has been born,
not when things like agriculture and what?
Because if you look at Genesis chapter
on the story of creation, the Lord says
that he has created the greater light and the lesser light
to be signs for the sailing, for signs and seasons, right?
For signs and seasons, that means before,
because you know when you buy a newspaper,
there is that section of a horoscope, yeah?
And they say if you're born in between May 11th and what,
that today there's money coming to you.
Be careful how you use it.
That's astrology, yeah?
So if guys who are not Jews were able to look at the sky,
look at the stars and realize that there is somebody
who is worthy of worship, that means right now,
even as a believer, I should be able to somehow have
that knowledge that yes, I want to start my business, yeah?
And because someone will be saying,
why are you looking at the stars?
When it's going to rain, yeah?
I just have to look outside my window,
I have to look out my window and see
what the heavens are saying, you know?
Are the clouds there, are the nimbuses there?
I don't have to consult God first, yeah?
God told Abraham, look up at the stars.
Exactly, look up at the stars.
And there will be as numerous,
that's how much your descendants will be.
So why isn't the church present?
Ask myself that question, it's an interesting question.
I think to answer it just shortly,
there is a time still by the spirit of deception
where the church was driven away from these things, yeah?
And we labeled them demonic.
For example, let me show you something where it's,
okay, it's really not simple,
but it's something we are used to.
The prophetic grace, you understand?
We very well know that it was even scripture.
You remember when Jesus said, okay,
the Bible says that in the last days
I will send Elias, Elijah.
What do you take of that?
Most people thought that Elijah will come back,
reincarnate, for so to say.
But when the Holy Spirit was teaching me the thing,
he said, no, I'm just going to exalt the office
of the prophet, that's what he meant,
you understand, in the last days.
Now, what I'm trying to bring to you there
is that the way the church has alienated
the office of the prophet there,
and it is the devil's intention
that the church stays without,
because the prophetic office opens us
to the supernatural realm.
I think you understand that.
The teacher can teach, these other things can take place,
but when a prophet stands,
he will open you to that realm,
which is beyond the realm of the natural.
Now, once you do not exalt that,
you cannot benefit or enter into the benefits of that.
Now, there is a time when the church
got alienated from the realities of these things.
It was actually driven away by certain teachings
and certain knowledges,
and people became skeptical, you understand?
And they started to fear going there.
So that zone was taken over by demonic people,
and it was the intention of the devil,
because he intended to use it to deceive many in these days.
I want people to understand that,
because what you are speaking is right.
How come men who were not full of the spirit of God
could understand that this star signifies that someone,
but you remember when you follow history?
In fact, so it got you short.
He's so important that even when he dies,
there is an eclipse that lasts three hours,
recorded even as far as China.
You see that?
But now, do you know that Daniel,
because where those men came from,
was the former Babylon?
It is believed that Daniel,
you know, Daniel had the knowledges of these things.
He taught them, because at one time,
he was made the leader of the astrologers.
So it is believed that Daniel taught them this knowledge.
He taught them things that were going to come to pass
and everything, so they kept a watch over them.
You understand?
And I think when they saw them, they had to come.
But now, how be it that we don't have men
of the calibre of the wisdom of Daniel?
They are there, okay.
Okay, I'm just asking you.
We're going to get to that, because I want to,
I want to, you guys have gone deep into Bible.
I brought my bobein, but I want to ask, Maqlid.
Are there attempts to communicate with these things?
Yes.
How?
Yes, Nas has been trying those tests before.
We have a picture of that.
They've been trying to, recently, the last one was,
of course, at first, they tried with the radio,
whatever things that they were doing,
to try and send signals out there,
so they would send a signal out into space
and wait for a response, if there would be a counter-signal.
Do you know if there's been a response?
Yes, recently there was a response.
Recently?
Yeah.
There was a response. China recorded a response.
What was the response?
That was last year.
They said they got a radio frequency from out of space,
but they couldn't decipher it.
And then I think that's where Nas actually got the momentum
to now say, okay, you know what,
maybe let's go ahead with the photo thing,
and maybe that can draw their attention.
Let's just show that photo.
Let's show that.
That's very, very interesting.
Okay.
So that's a picture of the photo they sent out,
and it has to be a naked man and a naked woman,
in binary code.
Is that?
Yeah, that's binary.
Why binary?
Yeah, it's sent out in binary
because the reason they say it is that,
they looked at all the languages of the earth,
and they landed on binary because they think
that's the only language that
these intelligent life forms can understand.
And binary is, it's close to symbolic language.
It's not audio.
It's not verbal.
It's not the kind of language we're used to.
And if you do your study of UFOs or aliens and whatsoever,
you will find that they have a lot of that.
There's what you call, what do you call it?
Garden circles?
You've heard of that?
No.
Garden circles are crop circles.
Oh, crop circles.
Not garden circles, crop circles.
Yes.
When I did my research,
I found out that that's a means of communication.
So crop circles, for those who don't know,
these circles that they've been discovering
all over the world, is that what you're talking about here?
Yes, yes.
That appear in fields.
Correct.
In circular form all over the world.
And you think they are forms of communication.
Yes, so they use those as forms of communication.
Now, someone who understands that alien language
will be able to decode the information in that.
And like I said earlier on,
the way they package the information is not just,
it's not just a circle.
So the way the circle is drawn
and anything like that, it's coded.
So they are able to understand.
I found the use of binary very interesting
because binary is zeros and ones.
And that's mathematics.
And we know how spiritual mathematics is.
But also, the picture you showed about the images
are not the only thing they've sent.
They have also sent, along with those images,
images of normal life on Earth.
People going for shopping at the supermarket,
people eating, people sleeping, people having fun.
But also, they sent images of human DNA.
They sent images of the location of Earth
within our solar system.
And they're inviting these beings to come onto the Earth.
And they're trying to attract them.
Since we're on the subject of what they've sent out there,
can we just follow the order of events
of what they've sent out there?
Because it's like as if they are transitioning
towards something.
Because then, the first sent images like this before.
Yes, 1971.
Okay, but it wasn't like this.
This one is more advanced.
So they started with that.
I think they were, okay, this is not working.
Let's maybe send this one or someone shopping.
Still nothing, send this other one.
Still nothing.
Maybe let's send this other one.
Now, when they're sending this last one
that they just sent, the one that we've just showed
of the naked man and woman,
it's going along with the DNA thing.
The question we need to be asking is, why?
Why are you sending the picture of a naked man,
a naked woman, and then DNA?
There is something there.
And that would bring us to the point for me
which would explain how these beings
get the kind of bodies that they get.
But do you think these scientists actually know
what they're doing, or is there someone
above them telling them to do this stuff?
I believe we have information that is really staged,
for so to say, because we also receive this information
from the people that do it.
Of course, the spirit of deception,
having been designed, you realize that these people
are not doing it by themselves.
Correct.
Why don't they write it later, for so to say?
Why don't they write it later?
Because later is what we understand,
or something like that.
Because I think they can write it later
in binary form, you understand?
Why do they have to send a nude picture in binary form?
But at the same time, send the DNA plus there, or?
You remember that in the days of Noah,
these people came, or I normally call them,
the aliens, for so to say, or these fallen angels.
They came and they had to alter the DNA.
Now, I want you guys to know this,
the DNA alteration technology has been there for long.
It didn't start with human beings,
but it started with animals and plants.
I want you to study the nation of the United States
of America, for so to say.
Do you realize that we have a lot of gigantic people
in the United States of America?
Have you realized that yet?
But what causes that?
Because people feed on genetically modified foods.
That's very true.
You see that?
And they are producing a certain kind of,
you go to the U.S. and you find people
that are very abnormal.
That's very true.
You know, and-
20-year-olds that-
Yes, and you realize people,
even in Africa, I said,
because we are starting to feed on those things,
you realize they are children you find,
and of course they are very abnormal,
and you look at their parents,
and there is a big difference.
You could really know that my DNA
can't produce such a kind of thing.
And guess what?
I just brought this to awaken everyone there
who is living in self-denial still,
that let this show us,
because the DNA alteration thing
has been there for some time.
Go and follow and see the history of the thing.
Now, they have already altered,
they have proved that they can alter animals,
produce different species,
the way they want, they can alter plants,
they can even remove a reproductive system of a plant,
and we have plants which cannot reproduce.
I don't know whether you know that.
Okay.
Okay, it produces once.
When you get what it has produced,
it can, you can't plant it,
and bring another, you understand it.
They have done all these things in the name of science.
Now, look at what we have just declared to everyone.
They are sending DNA pictures,
and they are sending, of course, the human for me.
And guess what?
This happened during the days of Noah.
They altered, they came and altered the DNA.
Do you know, I've been making research
that to certain beings, those alien beings,
they literally never came to have a sexual,
like as you know it, a sexual affair,
but they used what they call artificial insemination.
Virgil.
And all these things are there, you understand it,
where they produced a certain being,
not necessarily having sex with a man,
I mean a woman or something like that.
So, these facts are there.
Okay, I wanna ask them, this is interesting,
because I want to ask.
McLean, show the picture of the animals.
I just want to see something here.
Okay, what you see here, I'll show the next one.
Have you seen this before?
Yes, sir.
Yeah, these are strange things that are happening,
actually in parts of the world,
but this is specifically in Oregon.
Cows were found with eyes, testicles and blood
gone in an instant.
Like if the owners would leave the cow
for just like 10 minutes, come back and it's down like that.
Until this very day, they can't explain
how this is happening.
There's no way, there's no device on earth you can use
that can remove organs without any spill of blood.
Now, these things occur around the same time
UFOs are declared to have been seen in the area.
Okay, now I'm getting to my question.
For the lack of science, let's try to explain it.
When a UFO is seen, like the TikTok video that you see,
these pilots got close to this ship
and when they got close to this ship,
what they declared was,
they felt what they call gravitational distortion.
In other words, for them, time slowed down.
The thing was moving so fast that when they got near it,
time slows down, now you know Einstein's theory.
The faster you move, if you move at the speed of light,
time begins to slow down.
So once you're inside its influence,
what looks like 30 seconds is actually 20 minutes on the outside.
Now, the reason why that's important
is because farmers would explain that
they couldn't understand how they could have just gone away
for a few minutes and came back and a cow.
You know, no one kills a cow that fast, you understand?
Let alone with no blood.
And that explains that when these things are around,
they can do something quickly.
They manipulate time.
No, that's freaking out.
My question is, what is the purpose of that and abductions, McLean?
What is the purpose of something like this and abductions?
Why are they doing this?
Still goes back to the whole thing that we're saying,
for genetic mutation or alteration
or playing around with the gene.
I think these guys, these beings,
have for a long time been trying to figure out
a way of creating a body
that they can use when they will eventually come to this earth.
And so, they're doing a number of experiments.
Let's take this, let's try it.
Let's see if it helps, if it doesn't.
Okay, we try again.
We try this.
So that's why they're abducting people.
Yes, so they abduct.
And it's my belief and just my belief.
You can choose to accept it or not.
It's my belief that when people are abducted like this,
it's for a purpose.
Because when I read this lady's book,
she goes on and says at some point,
just what you're saying, she says,
she interviewed a lady in a hypnotic state of
a lady who had an experience
on a number of occasions would be taken to that world.
Now, this gives credibility to what you're saying
in terms of the second heaven
and how they're in a spiritual realm as well.
Because she says she would just go to sleep
and then the next minute, she finds herself in that world.
And she said-
That world of disillusionment.
Yes, she said in that world,
her job was like a nanny sort of,
but her job was in the nursery.
So she says in this nursery room,
there were sort of things that looked like incubators.
Inside those incubators, they'd be like water
and then this creature, this human-like form would be in there.
So then this lady asks her,
so how do those human-like forms get into the incubator?
So she says there's a pill.
It looks like a pill.
And she says that pill is transparent or something like that,
but this is where the seed is.
So they get this pill, put it inside the incubator,
and that liquid inside that pill
is what now pours out into this water
and it will eventually grow,
just like how an embryo starts to form in a womb.
This is what will now form in that incubator.
This lady was having a spiritual experience or?
Yes, it was a spiritual experience.
So this hip-noticed was now the one interviewing
and asking about experience.
So she said, how do you find yourself there?
She said, I also don't know.
I just go to sleep and then I'm there,
and then in the morning I'll wake up and I'm in.
So for me, that gives credibility
to the whole bit of the gene mutation
and how these things end up forming those bodies
mixed with their own genes and what so.
But my belief is these abductions are so that
they can come up with things that will help them
when they come to this realm.
So they're trying to form a sort of body
that can help them to survive in this realm.
Because the way that they are,
it cannot, this realm cannot sustain them.
It doesn't work for them like that.
There is a lady actually called Isabella Green.
Isabella Green, she actually for her says that
there's no need for abductions,
that you can invite these beings into your space
or you can actually go to where they are.
So what I've seen, what she do on her channel,
she actually says, now I am going.
And you know, you're all watching
and someone is saying, now I'm going.
And now, and this name is one of these alien names
and says he's entering.
And then you can literally,
if you've seen people who are possessed,
you can literally see when there's a shift.
So something happens and she has shifted
and she's speaking weird things, things in the cosmos
and she's describing our sounds.
One thing that really intrigued me is
she described music in the cosmos,
you know, hearing music and hearing songs in the cosmos.
And I found recently that NASA actually was able to record sound.
So it sent probes and some of these probes
take years and months to reach, you know, those farthest sounds.
And what they found is that they were able to record
sound, songs, you know, and if you listen,
if you go online, you can find them and you listen.
And I also, the earth itself was able,
they call it the earth song or the chorus.
And I found that very interesting because it's in job.
Let me just read Job 38 verse seven.
When Job was arguing with God,
okay, no, when, yeah, it was Job arguing with God.
I was going to say when God was arguing with Job.
But when Job was arguing with God about, you know,
his pain and what and the Lord is telling him,
where were you when I was creating the foundation of what?
In verse seven, it says,
when the, if I'll just maybe read from verse six,
it says, whereupon the foundations thereof were fastened
and I laid the cornerstone thereof.
And verse seven says, when the morning stars sung together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy.
And here God is describing that when I was creating the cosmos and the universe,
the morning stars, and NASA now is able to record songs that planets are actually singing.
They sound just, just, just recently, and I shared,
I shared with you this link of a guy who has come up with a technology to record
sound made by plants.
Yes, very interesting.
And those, those people who have been, some people, some of us who have, okay,
part of the church, people who have gone to heaven,
they will tell you that the plants in heaven are living.
They can communicate to you.
They are not like ours here.
The flowers can communicate.
But you see even ours can communicate,
just that you don't understand them for a long time.
Yes, yes, yes.
Now it's amazing.
You know, there is something that is high that is coming.
You are talking about a lot of things,
but one thing came to me.
You know, when you go and pick the account of the rapture,
it shows you a lot of things that, okay,
few of the things that we are seeing.
For example, I kept on imagining,
like the rabbi has said about the time, the time issue.
Now, clearly Paul says that with a blink of an eye,
pop, we shall all vanish.
Now to me, that is speed.
Yes, true, true.
That is super normal speed.
Derek, imagine, like the way you're blinking, pop,
next time you're not seeing anyone around.
Of course, you are going to be taken.
Now, you blink like this,
and the next time you open your cup blink,
you are in the realm of God.
Like you are gone, he has picked you.
And imagine that speed.
Now it shows that the realm of God has a different time,
different speed, or the speed realm, for so to say.
Because remember, I told you that these beings
stayed in the second heaven.
You understand it?
Now, they are there,
but they have a certain form of the power
from where they came from,
because they don't originate from here.
Even when they look at us.
Now, rabbi, I wanted to address something
that you addressed some time back here,
that causes those guys to see us the way they see us.
You see, it all comes back to a place where we have
to awaken to the realities that are happening
in the realm of God,
and also desire to tap into them,
so that we may have or exude the life
that God wants us to exude.
Because it all starts with the revelation
that Christ came to give us that life.
I'm just using the knowledge in the Bible.
You understand it?
So that life, and it just,
because we are not awakened to it.
And you know what the devil wants is to be worshipped.
So what he failed with,
because this is what I wanted to bring to the here,
that the devil's intention was to take the place of God.
You understand it?
I'll ascend and be like the most high.
So he has always had that agenda on his heart.
So everything that he does to antagonize
is to make sure that he creates a form of show
that will make people think that he's good.
So he will always reveal these things to people
faster than how God will.
For example, we were talking about things
which we are very serious here and of God.
And I want all of you to notice this.
How come we have labs where they do human croning?
Now why would you crone when you can go through
the process of nine months?
You understand?
Yeah.
What are you trying to prove?
Where did they get that knowledge?
You see that?
There are a lot of things that are happening.
You remember this era whereby there has been a lot of
how do you call it?
Abortion and sponsored abortion,
especially in the United States of America,
whereby you go, you abort, you are paid.
And there is information that all of those premature babies
were not literally buried.
They were taken somewhere.
Okay, so I want to ask a question because
why do you think the governments of this world
are keeping these things hidden?
Because obviously someone is having contact with these things
for this knowledge to come out.
Why all of a sudden has the Pentagon just come out and said,
okay, we acknowledge that there are unidentified flying objects?
There are also unidentified submerged objects,
but first of all, why are they giving us a sneak peek
after having kept it quiet for so long,
and why keeping it quiet for so long?
I think it's been a transition.
I think they've been building up to the time when,
okay, I think now we can disclose fully something to prepare them.
I think they've been trying to prepare humanity for a long time,
but sublimely.
Through movies.
Yes, movies.
Sublimely not messages.
Which movies are alien oriented?
Star Wars, Star Trek, Men in Black, X-Files, Odyssey.
All Marvel movies.
Like when you go and see all movies produced by Marvel,
they are trying to tell us something.
They even show you when someone is falling in love with another being,
you understand it?
And he's like a human being, then they fall in love.
They are preparing people psychologically to welcome these beings.
Is this movie the shape of water?
Yes.
I said what on earth is going on?
You see that?
Now, people don't know the power of movies, you understand it?
But now, you remember when the man of God said that
Hollywood is where the demons, concerned with psychic,
control the sakes of men.
That's where the seat is like, they are chisited, they are thrown.
Now, you realize that whatsoever the devil has planned to do,
he has first communicated it through movies.
He took over Hollywood and because that Hollywood became famous,
and most of the movies of the agenda of Lucifer
have been produced there and for a long time.
You've seen during the time of the lockdown,
when we realized that movies were already produced to prepare us to put on masks,
you understand, to put on masks to do all these other things.
He planned ahead, yes.
You understand.
And they send the information, you watch and get acquainted.
You understand.
Now, you see how, you remember that time where Marvel has been producing movie after movie,
movie after movie, you understand.
And everyone is powering on them.
And especially the young generation, you embrace everything.
Now, the day those things will come down here on earth,
this is what they are doing, they are preparing.
That is why it is a Godly system.
You know, man of God, you see the thing,
John was sent to prepare for Jesus.
You see that.
So these things are precursors, they are the Jones,
they are the Jones preparing people to receive.
And it has to do with what McLeaner said, that it is the time.
It is about now the time.
Because Lucifer knows that now the time is very closer,
the king is very, is very closer to his coming.
So now all forces prepared are coming out.
Yeah, it's about that.
All right.
Daniel 12, I think, was for say in the last days,
and knowledge shall increase.
Yes.
Yeah.
Knowledge shall increase.
Now, I'm sure somebody is watching us
and knowing they had the role by saying,
giving an illustration that when politicians were standing,
there was one backed by, you know, an alien.
And so a Christian might be there wondering,
what are these, are alien, are they already here?
Are extraterrestrials, do they visit the earth?
Are they already here?
And I'll give an illustration.
A young virgin in Israel, Mary, is visited by an extraterrestrial.
We know to be Angel Gabriel.
So a believer will easily understand that.
Yeah.
And then we have an extraterrestrial visiting Jesus
in the garden when he's sweating blood.
Yeah.
And he comes to encourage Jesus.
So this is an extraterrestrial coming to encourage an angel.
And then we have not just angels alone,
but we also now have men, beings who lived on this earth,
that are coming back.
We see Moses and Elijah with Jesus.
Yeah.
Because they are no longer alive here,
they are extraterrestrials too.
Yes.
So I'm wondering, you know, I asked myself a question.
There's a believer out there saying,
you people are taking this thing too far.
And yet we have extraterrestrials in scripture laid out,
showing us that we can have contact with, you know, for instance,
if somebody is called into, let's say, the creative arts,
they can actually have contact with, say, Bezalil.
Yeah.
Sure.
And Bezalil, because, you know, he's with the Lord,
can give you knowledge that you did not have.
As much, even as people in darkness are doing this,
they are, you know, getting ideas, creative ideas you mentioned,
Steve Jobs and the like.
So I believe us should, okay, it's because it's religion
and a lot of ignorance.
But in the last days, and it's specific,
says in the last days, knowledge shall increase,
but that knowledge is coming from somewhere.
Because I found that knowledge can be categorized into three.
There is the physical knowledge, where you physical observation.
And there is revealed knowledge, which something was unknown
and now has been made known.
And then there is the unrevealed knowledge, which are the mysteries.
I'll give an example of a zebra.
When you look at a zebra and it's mating with another zebra,
you can tell it's going to reproduce another zebra.
That's physical observation, so I have physical knowledge
that reproduction is taking place.
Now, but what I don't know, which is the mysterious knowledge,
is why does the zebra have stripes white and black
and not blue and yellow?
It's mysterious.
Yeah, it's unknown.
You know, and I remember in school when I was studying physics,
would, you know, use these things to go and even vibe girls
until I have you heard of Pluto.
Yeah.
And she says, no, me, I only know Napoleon.
And you know that when you speak this thing.
Thank you.
Yeah, so I just to add on what both of you are saying,
I want to give you guys an account from this lady's book.
Okay, because me, I found this very profound,
because in reading this book, I was doing this in comparison
with all this other information I had and in relation to the Bible.
So anything that we're saying here, please understand
that we're coming from a biblical background
and trying to find justification.
Throughout whatever we're finding in our physical world.
Now, all of you here are men of God.
So you know the scriptures.
I'm going to read for you something.
And you're going to see that there's a close relationship
between what these aliens who interacted with this lady
believe their mission to be.
Okay, because they believe themselves to be the watchers.
They were assigned the responsibility of watching over the earth
and especially the humans and help them along their way.
In their coming back, which is very soon,
the assumption is that they're coming to now,
like help in an advanced level,
the people who they were assigned to watch over.
Okay, so in a section of our book, she says this,
the fly in the ointment occurred when a metta crashed into the earth
and introduced organisms that were foreign to our planet.
Sounds familiar?
Someone, something came from outside, crushed into the earth.
Lucifer.
In their own environment, they had been harmless.
But when introduced into the pristine atmosphere of earth,
they multiply and we take it into a volatile threat
to the sibling human race, Nephilim.
This created the introduction of disease into the human body,
corruption of the gene.
The ideal plan had been to create a perfect disease free functioning body
with a long lifespan.
There was much sorrow when this unforeseen development was discovered
and a meeting was held on the highest level of the council to decide what to do.
There was much sadness and remorse because the grand experiment had gone away.
But it was decided that since so much work had already been done,
it would be better not to throw out the entire experiment.
It was decided to try to minimize the damage that had been done
and proceed by making concessions and moving forward
with what they had left to work with.
So these guys are saying, look, we had an assignment.
Our assignment was to watch over these beings and whatsoever.
At some point, we messed up.
It's now upon us to fix that mess.
And so, because of that, we need to come back
and we'll need to come back to help you guys.
Now, the second theory that these guys believe,
this school of thought is that the earth in the future,
and these worlds are biblical evidence for,
that the earth in the future is going to be destroyed.
It's going to turn on its axis.
And they believe that it's either going to be destroyed by a nuclear weapon
or something like that.
Fermin, so they imagine all sorts of disasters that will alienate this earth.
So because of that, they're saying at the end of the day,
humans need to be prepared for that.
And to prepare them, they have two options.
They're looking at two things.
One, to improve the human to the ability where they can resist stress
or strain or a difficult environment.
That's now the transhumanism.
That's where you have nanotech and nanomedicine coming in,
okay, to manipulate the DNA so that,
let's say you're in a situation where there's too much pain,
you can switch it off and whatsoever.
That's also plus AI, which we see working.
Then the other one is that because the world will be destroyed,
and we see this in our daily news when they're saying go green
because the atmosphere, you know, the earth is whatever.
And this is why they're trying to advocate for clean energy,
the electric cars, okay,
and all of those things, solar system and stuff like that.
So they're saying, okay, so the earth is going to be destroyed.
We need to be ready to move humans to another realm
where they can survive.
Does that correlate with the whole fascination for Mars
and preparing Mars as a new habitation?
Yes, yes, yes.
So this is an account from this lady
who has had interactions with these beings.
And this is what they believe as their mission.
Now, the reason why I brought this up is because you said
there will be a lot of deception.
Because the way these beings are coming
is not in a threat form of they're going to come and scare you
at night and things like that.
If you've watched the clips of the Vatican with your telescope
and you've listened to some of their priests and whatsoever,
they even say on camera that we need to get prepared
for these aliens and we need to be open-minded
to receive wisdom and knowledge from them.
Since they are coming from a higher realm,
their knowledge and wisdom might be able to help us.
Do you pick something from what he has said?
Do you pick something profound?
You see, the biblical arrangement or God's arrangement
according to how it has been revealed to us in the Bible
and by Jesus Christ, Jesus' intention or God's plan
by bringing Jesus was for us to qualify for heaven.
And those who have not believed in Jesus as the only way
will qualify for eternal damnation, you understand?
Now, it only has to be Jesus, you understand?
You have accepted him and you will qualify for that.
One thing they know is that there will be a life after.
They believe that earth is going to be destroyed now.
It should not be mystical.
The Bible talks about it.
The Bible says God is going to roll away this earth
like a mat, you understand?
At times, God's government is no longer.
But now for us who have believed in Jesus,
we know that we have qualified for another life in the heaven.
Now, what they are trying to do is to continue
their anti-God agenda because they want to create another way
of attaining eternal life, you understand?
I mentioned about finding life.
So is it possible to find life on other planets?
Because I found that NASA actually has now found that there is water,
underground ice, there is evidence of rivers that exited in places.
And I found this interesting because it's in Scripture.
Jeremiah chapter 10, verse 13, again the Lord is talking to the prophet
and somehow it seems to reveal this knowledge when he's arguing
with man about the creation of the world.
And he's saying, so it's a long thing, he's saying, telling Jeremiah
that what have these other gods created?
Where were they?
Can they even speak?
And then in verse 13, he says that when he utters his voice,
he's speaking about the most high, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens
and he causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
Now, he's speaking about waters in the heavens.
Now, there's a probe of NASA that found that there is water actually
in just floating around.
They were able to trace water.
And I found this interesting because if there are habitable temperatures
on other planets, and the plan is to get us from here to there,
of course, I know where it all ends, which I'll mention about where this all ends.
Are all these planets empty?
No, it cannot be empty because when he creates the heavens,
he has to have created them for something.
But what we know and what I believe believers are confused about
is what where does that leave the earth?
The earth is the center of God.
We are at the center of what in the cosmos.
We are not in the middle, don't get me wrong, we are not in the middle,
but we are the center of God's creation.
At the core of what God is doing.
Yes.
But now you see, when I look at all these planets,
so we have nine planets in our solar system, some people say eight,
they don't count Pluto because Pluto is too small and all that.
I've been fascinated by the reason I've been listening because I'm very curious.
But you see, all those planets that we see,
they look ravaged and, I mean, look at the moon.
Moon is not a planet, but look at it.
You look at all these planets, they look vacant, desolate.
And there's a reason they're like that.
They were not created like that.
Yes, they were not created like that.
It's a reference to how the earth, the earth was once like those desolate.
True, true.
And then it was made new.
Yes, correct.
And I just want to point to the fact that you said,
this earth is not going to be destroyed.
The Bible says a new heaven, a new earth.
So it's not necessarily a destruction.
It's a revamp of a new earth and a new heaven.
Though the Bible does say that the heaven shall be rolled away.
Yes.
Okay.
Of course, that's to bring it to a point of view and understand that biblically,
we have a proof that because even that, that was a contention.
That's what some of our Christian brothers, especially the Adventists say.
They tell us that we align people, that God is going to take them to heaven.
There's going to be a new earth.
That is true.
The earth is going to be made anew.
That one, like he said it, and it's going to be done.
But to my point, these planets here, especially those because the galaxies,
there's so many galaxies, guys.
They've sent out, they sent out probes, Voyager 1, Voyager 2.
Once in a while, I check in to see where they are.
That's how, that's how fascinated I am.
You're the enthusiast.
Just know I'm the enthusiast.
But so they send back pictures and there's some that actually,
I think there's some probes that actually they've lost connection with.
They went long ago and there's no connection.
But first of all, I agree with the scientists just on a basic level,
that there's no way in all that universe that there's no one else out there.
It's just even mathematically, the question is who?
And that's what is out there.
But I also believe that it's possible for God to create all that and prepare it for His people.
True.
Yes, I agree.
I've never been in that mindset too.
Because I look at things like Mars and I'm like, why are these planets there?
Who put them?
Who put them?
Okay, God put them there.
But for what?
You understand?
Because you know, we are talking about God who has existed from eternity to eternity.
So we are just in the middle.
But don't you think that there are spirits that call those places home?
That's what I was about to say.
I don't believe because, and you see this is a thing where people get it wrong.
Just because you can't see something with your physical eyes does not mean it's not there.
Understand?
You can't see jumps, but it's there.
If you got the microscope, you will see the jump.
But it's easy for someone to come in here and see up because it's clear white,
there's no stain, you think it's clean.
But get a microscope, you will see the jumps.
So I think it's the same thing with these planets.
But how do you think these alien things are creating these spaceships?
Because you know, there's what they call, you've heard of element 115.
Element 115 is some of the UFOs that they discovered, the material that they made of.
It doesn't exist on earth here.
So they've named it element 115.
Now, the question is, these things are spirit.
Have they taken time to technologically put together?
You know, these are questions that I ask myself.
Or they just, you know, and we're just hypothesizing here.
No, they are actually, I'll give you an example again from NASA,
I found from NASA, very interesting about the planet Saturn.
It's, it's, so they found that, you know, these guys, they called it the jewel of our universe.
They call it the jewel of our, yet we are on earth, beautiful as it is.
They called the jewel of our universe.
Why? Because it rains diamonds on Saturn.
So they are actually minerals.
They are resources.
They are metals and things that, that are on these planets,
which of course they would use to, you know, create all this technology.
You know that all these planets were named after gods?
Yeah, they named after gods Mars is a Roman god of war.
And all of them, they named after specific Neptune, the god of the sea,
and all of that.
So someone is, and you know, these giants were demigods.
And so these Roman gods are the demigods that existed in their stories and so on and so forth.
Even Egyptian gods actually were demigods, they would tell you,
because people would do these things, they would tell you,
when you look at the technology of the pyramids and everything,
you would really see that these things were built by people who were beyond it.
Super intelligent.
Super intelligent.
It goes back to the Tower of Babel.
I just wanted to bring this because, you know, Nimrod was a product of those.
It's called the mighty man.
You understand it.
And he brings the knowledge.
Have you ever imagined some, some people at that in those days,
they determined and said, we are going to build a tower,
which will reach the heavens.
And they were not just joking.
And the Bible said, you are right.
The Bible said, God looked at them and he knew that they were so determined and serious.
But what do you think?
What do you guys think these things are for?
These pyramids and many of these things, stonehenge,
there are a lot of things around the world that we have no idea why they're there.
The fact that you find pyramids in Egypt, then you find pyramids in Peru,
you find pyramids in Mexico.
I think it's, I think it's part of their language form or something like that for communication.
Or it's like the guys who study the stars.
When you join this and that and that and that and that,
you get a ship and this ship means ABCD and things like that.
That's what I think.
One.
And then two, it could also be a mark for photos or things like that.
Yeah.
You understand?
Stuggets.
Yeah.
So you put it there and it's a mark.
So when your people will be coming, they look out for those things and they know,
because there's a mountain in Japan.
It's called the mountain of Inno.
Okay.
And it's, it's said to have a strong magnetic field,
but the guys who live around that area, that town, say a number of them have actually had
cases where they have seen UFOs land on the top of that mountain.
Yes.
And now they're turning it into like a tourist thing.
They're trying to build the whole UFO phenomenon around it to turn the town
into a UFO tourist attraction site, you know?
So at the end of the day, in asking why these things are there,
I think that's, that's part of the reason, you know?
To put landmarks that you can identify for specific reasons.
They recently actually discovered in,
because we've only known the Stone Hedge to be in England.
Now, Turkey and Earth, it's own.
Imagine the, and Earth, it's in the ground,
but all this time the stones have been standing.
And even when the Earth, it has refused to fall, you know?
But, you know, you mentioned that you asked, why are these planets all, you know,
looking rugged and what, and a believer might be saying, but you people, you know, it's in scripture.
Romans chapter eight verse 26, when man fail, all creation fail with him.
And so that's why all creation is waiting for, you know, for, for, for the redemption.
Yes.
And so now when, when that happens, when that redemption happens, you know,
do you know why we have asteroid because of the fall?
Because God did not form some star to die and then it comes and, you know,
hits, hits another planet and extinguishes it.
No, they are there because of the fall.
Yeah.
And so when, when, when, when God has created the new heavens and the new earth,
there will be no such things as stars do die.
You know, yes, stars do die, but they die because of sin.
Yes.
But when, you know, that's why I'm saying because of sin.
I don't believe that God made them to die, you know, that you rise and shine, then die.
No, no, no.
Do you know that in NASA, there is an information that is going on right now.
It's not all that obvious, but they believe in 2029, the earth shall be hit by a very powerful
asteroid.
They have seen it coming.
I think we survived one even in 2015.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, the man of God.
Thanks, thanks to one.
Okay.
But there is one, there is one which is coming and it's called Apophis and it's all amazing.
I just brought this to tell you.
What does Apophis mean?
Apophis is very close to Apolion, no?
Yeah.
It's, I think, the good of death.
Something like that.
Really?
Yeah.
And so they named it these guys, eh?
No, these guys are very spiritual.
Intentional.
And intentional.
Because if just, just when you're saying Apophis, Apolion is the,
is like the angel Michael of the devil.
Of the death world.
Understand.
So when you're saying Apophis, I believe that's where they got it from.
Like you, because at the end of the day, if it's a spiritual thing, it's not just going
to come by its own.
Yeah.
And I believe by 2029, a lot of end time events, eh?
No, but by 2425, who knows, we might have had some visitations.
For sure.
I'm just saying, around that time, eh, there is going to be a lot of activity concerning
the Son of Jesus Christ.
More, I'm not very sure, but we have to be very, yeah.
No, the thing is that it's clear.
I mean, I think on why on recently, they set out how it, what you were talking about,
that those feedback from outer space of a frequency that had been gotten, you're like,
okay, this is, and you know, that stuff just fascinates me.
The reason why I wanted a telescope for my birthday was because I wanted to be the first
one to see those things coming, eh?
But what if they come like from US?
Yeah, that's about it, but we're going to be winding up, eh?
But this discussion is so winding, and there's so many things we can touch.
But my mindset is that the church needs to stop being ignorant about these aspects, eh?
And shouldn't fear having a discussion on these things.
We are, if you look around the world, we know we were talking about this before we started
the podcast, Bigfoot.
You asked the question, you think Bigfoot exists?
What about a Loch Ness monster?
What other ones are there?
There is the Yeti.
Oh yes, yes, there's a Yeti, yeah.
Yeti and all these things.
I believe these things are very spiritual.
I believe a Yeti is probably a giant.
Even probably Bigfoot is also some giant.
Then Loch Ness monster, who knows?
But there are a lot of things on this earth that are taking place around us, and I believe
God is preserving us from things we do not know.
Every day.
And I want you guys to give your last take on anything you think someone out there would
need to know about this alien discussion.
I think for me, it would just be like you said, the church needs to
stop avoiding certain conversations, because they need to be heard.
Because otherwise, how do you prepare?
You know, how do you know to align yourself?
The Bible talks about the sons of Isaac, how they knew the times.
You know, we need to know the times and we need to prepare accordingly.
Having this kind of information and discussing it helps with that.
The way we've demonstrated here, it's not that we're exalting it or we're excited to know.
For us, the question is, as a church, how do we prepare?
I think sometime we discussed about how we think that the end-time war
might have alien technology.
Yes.
You understand?
Yes.
It won't be this technology that we have.
Superhuman abilities.
Very intriguing.
We'll be watching from the Kamehameha of Heaven, hopefully, if you believe in the Rapture.
What do you think some people need to know?
Is there anything vital that you think we've missed out?
I think we have touched here and there, a little here, a little there as the Bible says.
But the intention of this by the Holy Spirit is to provoke the child of God outside there
to a point whereby they should stop living in self-denial
and stop living religiously by the knowledge that they have received.
These things that we are talking about are real, they are happening,
but they are not just happening because we are not just fascinated about them
for the sake of getting excited about what's going to take place.
Why we are is because for us to understand the times and the seasons,
we are anticipating for the soon return of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Because it's said when these things start to appear,
then we should prepare for the Rapture.
That is where it all centers to us.
And people should not be either excited or fearful about them
because these are perfect will of God.
You know that, that will have to come before we see the Son of Man.
And they are going to come,
but people should know that they are not living in darkness, you understand.
So what I want to say, the message I send to everyone outside there,
that people should get interested in what is taking place.
They should be knowledgeable, I've seen men of God here,
going to God, they are demonstrating knowledge.
They are reading books you have never thought about reading.
They are watching movies you never thought about watching.
But in all, they are learning a lot.
They are picking a lot.
These are not just things to entertain people.
Because as the man of God said there, Derek, he said that knowledge will increase.
Now, I believe that it's not only bad knowledge that will increase, even good knowledge.
And why did God say that knowledge will increase?
It's for a reason, you understand.
We are not supposed to be left behind by the effects of this increase of knowledge.
We are supposed to be involved.
And even now, the church is supposed to rise and take its position
and do what we are supposed to do.
And demonstrate the power of the ages to come.
And show people that we are coming from a higher realm
than even all of these things that are taking place.
I believe this is the hour.
And I want everyone of us that is listening and watching to know
that these things are coming for God to come upon us or Jesus to come
when we are not like living in darkness.
When it is not supposed to be unaware as like Jesus said.
It is supposed to be us having the knowledge of it.
So a lot of these things are going to increase.
Have any of you guys had encounters with alien creatures?
I had a dream today.
Had a dream today.
Literally, I think Man of God just in the inclusion also.
I think, you remember when Lucifer told God in the book of Job
that you have put a hedge around him and his family.
And his family.
Now, I believe in this season, we have a hedge around us.
We can't be abducted.
We can't be abducted.
Now, imagine they call you and say, Derek was abducted by hedge.
I will say Man, what hedge was covered in there?
The reason hedge that is upon the children of God
that we will see these things but from afar.
Because they are not supposed to affect us anyway.
Because we belong to a higher power and a higher authority.
The third heavens, that's where we source.
And conclusively, that is what I feel in my heart
that people should not live in self-denial of these things.
They should come up and it should propel us to react and act according
as God expects us to do.
Just, I know I already spoke but he just brings out something very interesting
because then it answers the question of as a child of God,
what happens then when these things show up?
And I'll just share a testimony of a man of God, Prophet Aliah Benjamin.
He shared this with me, when he had an interaction,
he had an instant when he interacted with an alien.
And aliens actually, not just one.
How do they look like?
Ignorance is not defense in the courts of law, just so you know.
So, of course he described them the way most people describe them.
With those black eyes looking funny with a funny shape.
So it was a gray.
Yeah, the grayish people, the gray men.
So he says they were having a conversation.
These two beings were having a conversation.
And this is to encourage you, the child of God, to know that you are covered.
This is the hedge we're talking about.
Yeah.
So he says they were having a conversation.
These aliens were having a conversation and saying,
should we take him?
No, we take him.
No, don't take him.
No, we take him.
So then one came a bit closer and said, no, we can't take him
because he has a superior knowledge.
There is something about him that we don't understand.
His intelligence is beyond ours.
There's something about him we just don't understand.
So don't, don't touch him.
And then they moved away.
The lesson in that is for you as a child of God, when you're born again,
you understand this is the hedge that we're talking about.
So when these things will happen, you are covered.
And this is where salvation comes in.
Yeah, I'll just say two things.
One, when we look at the events happening in the world now,
when we look at the false prophet, we see the Vatican is very interested in outer space,
very interested in aliens.
They have one of the biggest, if not the biggest telescope,
it's called Lucifer.
So if you see the false prophet is involved, and then of course,
world governments are now releasing information about UFOs and aliens and sightings.
You now see that the world governments are aligning by extension, the Antichrist.
So you have the false prophet, the Antichrist, and then we know behind them is the devil.
So we have the threefold, all joining together to push an agenda.
Which one of them is that when the rapture takes place,
the explanation to the world, to those left behind,
is that they have just been abducted.
These so-called believers, these Christians have been abducted, this group of people have been.
So because the scripture says two will be lying in bed, one is taken, one stays behind.
So the explanation is that, like they said, one is taken, he has been abducted.
So that's a deception in itself.
And then the second thing is that, because a Christian, like you asked Marky,
that where does this leave a believer?
And we're talking about outer space activities.
Revelation 21, verse 1 says,
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth
were passed away, and there was no more sea.
Heaven is not our eternal reward.
There will be a time we go to heaven, but the eternal reward, according to scripture,
is actually in the new earth.
So we are not going, it's not that we are going,
there will be a time when we go to be with God,
but ultimately God will come and be with us.
And the thing that teaches us how we shall live on the new earth
is the millennium, the 1000 year reign of Christ.
It's preparing us, although we have taken on a different form,
and scripture says we are like the angels and what,
it's preparing us actually for the new earth.
And that's a new planet, because earth is a planet.
Because the faster it's gone, now we have a new planet which we're inhabiting.
So which a question Rabbi asked, that are all these planets there for nothing?
So that's an important thing.
So a believer should know that because we are in the end times,
and because these sightings are going to increase,
that's the thing we mentioned.
For instance, I'll give an example that if you are called, say you're a man of God,
and you're doing ministry, we have an example in scripture of a man of God
who is doing his ministry, called of the Lord, anointed,
but he still has interactions with extraterrestrials.
Men who have gone to be, some seeking of Jesus,
he's speaking with Elijah and Moses.
We're not told what lengthy discussion they have,
but we know something.
Peter, James and John see Elijah and Moses.
So that's what we're talking about is all in scripture.
It's going to come a time when we will visibly see.
It's not going to be in the spirit, dreaming,
I had a dream and then you came.
We'll be seeing them.
We'll be here talking at the podcast, the Aurelian podcast,
and then an extraterrestrial shows up.
Which kind?
Because we agreed that we were talking about how there are different species
of these alien creatures.
And you had quickly pointed out, I thought that was fascinating.
Yeah.
So you have what they call insectinoids.
Then you have the reptilian rest.
And this, I think most of the churches are about.
And then for us, they consider us as a mammalian rest from the mammals.
So that's where humankind comes in.
So even for them, that's what we're saying.
They look at us as alien, but it's not just one type of alien.
They're different types of aliens.
Yes.
That's very interesting.
Are you done?
I was just saying that it's going to be important for Christians
to prepare themselves to actually interact with angels,
with saints that have gone to be in the Lord.
Because scripture says we have become a family with the saints that are in heaven.
So you don't have to do it alone.
You can actually interact with angels and those that have gone to be with the Lord.
Just as Rabbi is coming in, when the aliens appear and we can see them visibly,
will we also at that time be seeing angels visibly?
I thought angels are also aliens.
That's what we're agreeing.
I think there is a time more profound for those beings to be here.
In my heart, I really perceive that by that time, when they are so rampant here,
the church will not be around.
The church will have been ruptured because it will be their time to operate mainly.
Because the Bible says we have the restraining force.
And I believe the reason as to why they can't come for it to operate here
is because we are still existing and the Holy Spirit to restrain them.
And they have a time they were designated to come and take over and stuff like that.
I agree because when right now they can't, we're going to have increased sightings,
but not, you know, invasions.
But because when we have gone to be with the Lord,
those last three and a half years at the time of the Antichrist,
they will literally be here.
And that is why the Battle of Armageddon, like Rabbi was saying,
is going to be a bit spiritual.
It's going to have entities because they will now,
yes, they will now be here to be their time to fully occupy.
True, that's important.
Very important.
We can go on and on and on and on.
Ladies and gentlemen, you heard it from us first,
more from these guys than you did from me.
But I found the topic very interesting.
So we've defined Indians here are not just what you know as greys and so on and so forth.
Yes, they are.
But we're saying that anything that is outside our stratosphere,
the earth is alien in nature.
So that was the very definition.
But we want to say that the purpose of this message was to inform you
that there's a lot going on around this world and that you need to be awake and aware of what's
coming and what is already here.
And child of God, you need to play your role.
Dominion is coming.
The rapture is coming soon.
And above all else, notice that in the last days, knowledge shall increase.
And that's what we're trying to do here.
Just foster discussion.
My name is Rabbi Daniel Malinga.
Thank you for joining us.
God bless you.