Hello everybody, my name is Rabbi Daniel Malinga, welcome to the RDM podcast.
I'm excited, artificial intelligence, metaverse, AI gods, techno gods, hard-run collider, cloning, and the like.
Is the technology that we have today heading in a particular direction, is there some mixture of fusion between spirit and technology?
To discuss the topic with me, in the room are familiar faces. We have next to me Afimani McLean, businessman, guru, you're welcome.
Thank you sir.
Welcome back to season 4.
Good to be back, it's been quite some time man, good to be back.
Alright, and next to him we have Derek Mureva, who's been here before, watchman, ministries, Derek you're very welcome.
Good to be here.
And then on my right, we have Agneta Lucia, Navo Kenya, communication specialist, you're very welcome.
Thank you so much, good to be back.
Gentlemen and lady, we're going to go deep into this conversation, it's going to be very interesting because I'm excited.
I've always wanted to discuss something like this, to do with technology, I'm sure there are many people out there who have the same mindset.
But before we do, I'd like to set the foundation by playing a clip, so we're going to take a look at that and then come back.
But let's move on, from the Russian takeover of Ukraine to the technology that could take over the entire world.
I'm talking about artificial intelligence, it's the things scientists are working on, so that one day our computers won't just know what kind of porn we want to watch.
They'll also be able to judge us for it.
And AI has come a long way in the past few years, but now an engineer at Google is saying that AI has come a lot further than we think.
An engineer with Google says the company's artificial intelligence generator is self-aware.
Blake Lemoine told the company that he thinks its AI chatbot is a person who has rights and might have a soul.
The software engineer who made the claim was put on leave for violating Google's confidentiality policy after handing documents to a U.S. senator's office.
Despite the claim, the program is conscious.
Google says the technology still has a long way to go.
Tech experts say the AI can imitate intelligence by recreating patterns, but still can't think or act on its own apart from its programming.
Okay, I don't work at Google and I'm not a computer scientist, but I have watched a lot of movies.
And if there's one thing I've learned from movies, it's that if a scientist comes out saying that something crazy is happening back in the lab and then they get fired for it, there's something crazy happening back in the lab.
Alright, we're back from that.
And that's just a clip.
It's showing us the direction we're going to go with this conversation because based on that clip, there's an actual Google engineer who discovered that the technology that they're using at Google, there's a computer called Lambda that he says has a soul.
And we'll get to that conversation because I want us to have a trajectory and we're going to start with Maki.
We're going to talk about technogods, the specific individuals in history and currently who have played a role in the advancement of technology.
And you have a few things to say about that.
Shoot.
Yeah, this is the thing and this is a conversation that we've had over time.
And it's funny because most times people never used to want to believe it, but now it's coming out more clearly.
Okay, when you're trying to connect science to spirituality or to the spirit world, I can show you and today I came prepared.
Okay, this is Elon Musk's book.
Alright, this is literally his life.
And I love books because they will show you things that you're not going to find in videos, that you're not going to find in short clips.
And it links his abilities, his, you know, sort of supernatural abilities of how his mind operates or how he gets ideas to the spirit world.
And this is very, very closely related to who the person I believe was more like his spiritual father, who was Nikola Tesla, who also had similar experiences.
What people don't know is that Nikola Tesla had most of his inventions come through visions.
He would say he would get flashes of light and then all of a sudden he zones out and then he sees visions and that's how he would get his inventions.
Let me just go quickly to this book of Elon Musk.
Let me show you guys something very interesting.
I found this very, very interesting.
Okay, this is on page.
Bear with me 33.
Okay.
All right.
And this is how he would go into trances.
All right.
Literally.
So I'll start from this.
It says Elon exhibited all the traits of a curious energetic tot.
He picked things up easily and may like many mothers did beg her son as brilliant and precocious.
He seemed to understand things quicker than other kids, she said.
The perplexing thing was that Elon seemed to drift off in a trance at times.
People spoke to him, but nothing got through when he had a certain distant look in his eyes.
This happened so often that his parents and doctors thought he might be deaf.
Okay.
So literally they tried to take out his underage glance thinking that was what the problem was.
Elon's condition had far more to do with the wiring of his mind and how his auditory systems functioned.
He goes into his brain and then you just see he's in another world and he still does that up to now.
So literally what he would do is he would go into these states and he continues to say when he would go into these states
what he would do is for example if he would look at this phone when he goes into that kind of trance state
he would see this phone completed in his mind and it disintegrates and he sees all the different parts
and then how they come together.
So by the time he's coming to the table and saying guys let's do this.
He has the full picture.
He has seen how it plays out.
This was the same thing Nikola Tesla used to do.
So at the end of the day when we're talking about spirituality and we're talking about science
and we're trying to find the connection or find the trajectory how we got to here.
I'm a strong believer that the spirit world plays a very very huge role in science today.
And you know if you look back if you actually look at the people who played a role
the people that we're referring to as techno gods.
Today the actual techno gods are people like Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, big tech guys.
But in the past it wasn't big tech.
It was scientists, geniuses.
And they have specific, okay most of them have specific traits.
If you look at Elon, okay Tesla.
Yes.
Tesla is quite similar to Elon Musk.
Correct.
He was weird.
Yes he was.
He was weird.
Actually I think I read a story about him sometime and said he was on the day that he was born.
It was lightning.
It was a lightning storm.
And he had obsessive compulsive disorders.
He was very specific about things and he did not like to be touched.
And you know people who are like that there's something mystical about them.
And I feel that played a role.
There's something inside them that allows them to connect to the spirit world and bring things into the existence.
Introduce innovations into this world more than the average person.
I don't know what that thing is but it is seen in the fact that they're always quite different.
Albert Einstein was the same.
If you sat down with him you'd find he's a very strange and peculiar person.
And so it seems like the spirit world works directly through these individuals to bring certain things onto earth.
Now before we go deeper into that I want us to have a trajectory because I want us to start from the Bible then we'll bring in the rest of discussions.
And before we started of course we were talking about when technology started.
And you know I look through the scripture and I realize that you know the Bible says in Isaiah God says behold I do a new thing.
Do you not perceive it?
And that scripture there based on the Bible the Bible says who were created in the image of God and likeness of God.
That scripture there is a sign that God is innovative.
You understand?
He's creative and that very same aspect was planted into us.
So when God created man there was an innovative function inside man.
When he says be fruitful multiply and fill the earth.
Most people think filling the earth there is in relation to just human beings.
They have as many babies as possible.
But filling the earth could also mean fulfill your potential in terms of art, technology, culture.
Fill it.
You understand?
Do you have something to add please?
Oh yes.
You know that's very very true because you know if you look back as far as the scripture is concerned you might think that what we see today is actually new.
Yet it's actually not.
It started way back.
Started from somewhere.
Different forms.
And if you look at for instance we're talking about how when the Lord said to Adam that go and you know, till the ground.
You know what was he going to use to till the ground.
And it's interesting you mentioned that he's because we're created in the image of God.
Adam had to create something to use to till the ground.
So that means there was a rudimentary technology and I want to show you the trajectory.
Then I bring in Agneta.
So Adam is tilling the ground.
There's technology.
He's kicked out of the garden.
After he's kicked out of the garden he has two sons.
Cain and Abo.
According to scripture Cain goes starts a city.
He must have had some form of technology in order to build a city.
Then scripture goes on to say in Genesis chapter 4.
It says that Cain's descendants one of them called Jabal comes up with a tent.
How on earth a city can exist before a tent beats my understanding.
But he says okay so he comes up with tents.
He's the father of those who do any tents.
Then he talks about Jubal who was the father of those who invented organs.
And by organs I'm talking about musical instruments and the likes.
He talks about two Balkans who came up with brass and iron weaponry.
So you can see the form of technology that man has at that time.
Now when we move fast forward from Genesis chapter 4 you go to Genesis chapter 6.
And this is where this thing goes crazy because in chapter 6 you know the story.
These fallen angels have intercourse with the daughters of men and they give back to the Nephilim.
Now from the book of Enoch these guys who some called the watchers taught the children of men about certain ways.
Both spiritual and natural.
So the technology was not only analog in nature.
There's also a spiritual technology which I talk about.
People had capacities if you trace it through scripture you'll see.
When you go to people like Abraham, Isaac, Isaac sold in a dry and barren land.
And scripture says he ripped a hundred fold.
There's some sort of spiritual technology taking on there.
Then you go to Jacob.
Jacob is looking at, he gets goat and sheep.
He puts reeds right in front of them.
And they give birth to speckled and spotted.
How? What kind of technology is there?
So it moves from that.
Then it moves on farther to now we reach Moses.
A man is turning a stick into a snake.
And then Joshua, someone is making the sun stand still.
Have you seen the increase of the spiritual technology?
Then the natural technology in itself.
We move all the way from Genesis chapter 6 and I said there was a jump.
And we reach the tower bubble.
When these guys are convinced without a shadow of a doubt that they can build a tower that reaches the tops of heaven.
And their confidence was not in God.
It was in their technology, their ability.
And since then man's trust in their ability has only increased.
Yes, it's funny you bring up the tower bubble because right now every simple progress we see in technology is because everybody is trying to reach God.
That is what everybody is going after.
They want to reach God.
Right now the way that technology sphere stands, it is the closest thing that every human being on this earth is currently experiencing that is very close to the spiritual.
Because just defining the spiritual is difficult.
But spirituality is belief in something you don't really see.
And you know that it's more powerful than you.
It can do something you can't do or it can make your life easier.
That is technology.
Completely everything they are doing is to do something that a human being naturally cannot do or something to make our lives easier.
And all of that is so that they can become like God so that they don't need God.
But let's be clear guys.
I don't want people to think that we think that technology is just a body.
Because even the church needs it.
We are using it.
Right now we are going to be on YouTube.
We have phones right here.
So technology has its positive functions.
But what's scaring us?
What's making us a bit itchy and uneasy about the direction of where technology is headed?
I think when you pose the question like that, I think the biggest fear is when technology will go before us and seem to represent what our soul should be yearning for.
Which is the connection that we should be having with God.
Because ideally when Adam was put in the Garden of Eden, he was supposed to have continuous fellowship with God.
At some point he lost that.
Now at the end of the day, the technology, that's there.
Now, like you said, go to a point where it felt like, I think we can do it on our own.
Back then it seemed like, okay, that was such a small issue.
Now it's getting to the point where people are tapping into trying to switch consciousness.
Trying to affect the soul.
Trying to get into the spiritual realm of things.
You have things like the Metaverse coming in.
Okay, where now people are living in a virtual world, which is more like living in the spirit world.
So at the end of the day, if they can try to recreate events like that, or if you have the existence of things like nanotech or nanomedicine,
where at the end of the day, what let's say you could have achieved through healing,
you now achieved through technology, and then the question is, what's the relevance of God in all of this?
So I think for me that would be where the fear of, or the concern rather, of where technology is headed, would be coming in from.
When it gets to a point where it will replace God, per se.
Derek, you're going to come in because I believe you have something to touch on Metaverse.
But you guys realize that, well, most of us in our generation, when we grew up, we used to play outside.
I don't remember having a cell phone. Internet wasn't there. This cuts across with our generation.
Now, after some time, the kids in the i-generation have grown up with phones, cell phones.
I mean, some of these kids go to school with cell phones. That would be a dream for Metaverse.
And they have internet. Now, they can just, they hold a phone in their hands.
Some of them learn in class, depending on which school you go to, using tabs. You understand?
But now that technology is going to shift, just like there was a point when we did not have,
and it has shifted to having this technology in a handheld device,
that technology is going to switch from the handheld device to the mind.
So there's going to be a fusion between internet and the mind, which is what we're heading into, which brings us to Metaverse.
You mentioned that technology is good. We don't want people to get into this whole weirdness of thinking technology is of the devil.
It is not, because we know from scripture that Adam is the first engineer.
And he's able to cultivate, he was not sleeping under trees, as people would like to think.
But here's the thing, the thing that shocks the flow, because God, creating us in his image,
made us have that innate ability to make things, which is technology.
Now, what shocks the flow of things is the jump, because everything is flowing well until Genesis 6.
And then now people begin to manifest technology which is far beyond their timeline.
So after the flood and all of that is destroyed, the flow is back to reset.
But now what the scripture with the Lord saying that in the last days, there will be as the days of Noah,
that's what it's talking about, that in the last days is going to be another jump of technology.
And so now that is what we are in, and in things like, it's interesting you mentioned the Metaverse.
And the Metaverse itself is not new, because in the days of Noah,
because if that scripture stands true, that in the last days, we will be as it was in the days of Noah,
then that means that there is, because if you compare, it says in the last days to either be,
it will be both the days of Noah and Lot. In the days of Lot, we know what stood out.
But in the days of Noah, that means that is where this Metaverse thing began,
because we see people astral projecting, teleporting.
And there's also something interesting people don't realize that it was not just animals that were corrupted,
even the plants. The weirdness, what we grew up in school studying as this thing,
were they grafting and what like man, there's all of that was a jump in technology.
And so now this Metaverse actually started in the days of Noah, and that is actually what we have now.
So people have this ability to go into, first of all, let's define what the Metaverse is.
And it is coined from a phrase that an author called Neil Stevenson in his book called Snow Crash,
which is 1992 by the way, so it's not really a very new thing.
So he coins this word and in this book, he speaks of a time in the world which will be dystopian.
Economies will have crashed. Is it true today? We know if you're watching the news,
you know, okay, at least if you're in, you know, if you have a wallet, you know the economy is, you know,
then you say, so governments will fail. Is that true now?
So and how was that created? Remember when the COVID lockdown started, everything began from there.
But here's the thing, what people don't know is that because of Donald Trump,
this what we're having now was supposed to come in the time of 2016, not now, Trump delayed it, you know, as God's vessel.
But so this Metaverse thing, I remember growing up, there was a neighbor who had video games, you know,
for us we could not afford them, but we went to play this game called Grand Theft Auto.
Now, when you play Grand Theft Auto, something happens to you, you know, you gain this confidence to commit crime.
And there's actually a suit in Alabama, in the courts of Alabama, where a teenager shot three people dead because he was playing Grand Theft Auto.
And you may think it's weird, but if you've played video games before, you know, because I remember one time walking on the road
and I look at a car and I'm like, huh, if I was playing my game, I'd just open, you know, and stab this guy, what?
You know, and I'm a boy, I'm a little boy, you know, I just think about it and saying there's something about the Metaverse that right now has just been amplified,
but we think it's new, yet it's not. It's just that now because of the World Economic Forum,
which is now the platform that the New World Order is using to launch its ideas,
actually on top of its agendas for this year is the Metaverse, yet it is the world economic forum.
How long do you think it's going to take for the Metaverse to be fully functional?
Two things. In their official PR campaign, it says in tenure, so that's 2030.
But the truth is, it actually already exists. But in what is the public platform is still in its undeveloped,
because they can't bring the entirety of it because everyone will not.
But let me ask you guys, because you're coming in, because this Metaverse thing just really, it amuses me.
So in essence, the Metaverse is a whole different thing from virtual reality. It's VR, right?
Because VR, you wear some goggles, but the Metaverse you're inserted into,
because I've heard that people are actually even buying real estate in the Metaverse.
A piece of land in the Metaverse costs $2,000, but currently the highest purchase of property is about $700 million.
In one of the platforms I was reading today, that's $700 million in a virtual world.
So who's going to afford that? The average person definitely can't afford that, right?
Yeah, but the money, because you see, it's from the words Metaverse.
Now Meta means beyond or transcending, and vast from the word universe.
So if they are providing a platform where people can transcend this current reality into another reality.
To ask that question, and Maki comes in.
I'm interested to hear, is the Metaverse a spiritual realm?
Yes.
There's no doubt about it.
Yes, it is. The scripture says that as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.
Christians don't understand that that actually is a door.
It's a portal that God gave us to enter another world, a spiritual world, where I don't have a job now.
But when I'm meditating, I see myself wearing my suit, walking out, opening the car.
Yet I don't even own a bicycle now.
And I enter the car, and I'm driving to office, and they're opening for me the door.
And I'm signing documents.
I am currently employed in that spiritual world, in my imagination.
I am employed in all these big things, but when I come out of it, I don't even have breakfast.
You understand? So it's principle from scripture, as you think.
So they're offering the world this opportunity to be who you want to be, do what you want to do in that world.
Maki, you look like it's burning. Go ahead.
Yeah, now we're talking about Metaverse.
I think some of us in the church might think, oh Metaverse, maybe it's still far away from us.
As of this year, the church entered the Metaverse.
I hope we're aware. There is a church in Virginia that is already having services in the Metaverse.
Not only services, but they say they have reached the point where they are actually baptizing people in the Metaverse now.
The spiritual significance of that, or the weight of that compared to the actual baptism, I don't understand.
Now, to give credibility to what you said in terms of when this Metaverse will mature, you said 2030, correct?
Let me read for you what Euronews said about this church.
Who?
The last line, Euronews.
Okay, yes.
This is a news website.
So after this guy tries to explain how they run the church service in the Metaverse and why it would be important for people and whatsoever,
he ends by saying this, it's just wild what we can do now.
I can't imagine in eight years what it's going to look like.
This publication was as of third of Feb 2022.
This year.
If you add eight to 2022, it's 2030.
Okay, Agneta, feed into the conversation.
No, I think that the only thing that's really stopping it from being public is because they want to make it as immersive as possible.
So they are currently working on the fidelity right now when you're in the virtual world and you watch all those videos,
you can tell that I'm an avatar.
It's not really me.
Yes.
Yes, but now they are working on augmented reality in the virtual reality so that it looks as real as you and me look right now.
And that's the only thing that's delaying them.
Everything else has been put in place.
Of course, now there is the politics of who is going to run the baseline platform and be the person who takes all the credit.
That's the only thing that's left.
But I think if I have a church in the metaverse, what's wrong with that?
It is very wrong because the scripture says in Hebrews, do not give up the habit of meeting together.
The cardinal role of the metaverse is to disconnect you from reality, from people.
And that's the first casualty of the metaverse.
Disconnect, because he was mentioning a pastor.
I found a pastor called Soto.
He's called Pastor Soto and they have their church and he started it in 2018 on a platform called Alt Space.
That's actually the guy.
That's the guy.
DJ Soto.
They have services and they are ministering to people.
So instead of going to fellowship on Friday at Silver Springs, we all sit in our chairs and the man of God is also at home.
He puts on his headset and he ministers to us in the comfort of his house.
But why does the Lord want us to meet?
And why is he so interested in where two or three are gathered?
So much that even the apostles, when they are away physically, they come at least in the spirit.
Because they want to be where people are physically gathered.
When the Lord is coming in the evening to meet Adam, he doesn't come to meet Adam's spirit.
He's meeting the man in the flesh and they are walking in the garden and talking.
There is an interest as far as God is concerned.
He wants to be where flesh and blood is.
An interesting thing is that there will never be a time when we don't have a body.
Exactly.
And your bodies are the temple of the Lord.
But you see the thing is, let me ask.
So in this metaverse, can a spiritual entity show up in the metaverse?
Will people be interacting, say, with demons?
Yes, they will.
Because first of all, right now, before I even talk about the metaverse,
right now I can be in my house worshipping and an angel shows up.
Right.
And he tells me a message.
Or a man of God shows up.
And a dream may be sleeping.
And the man of God shows up and tells me,
now the Lord is saying this and this.
Now in the metaverse, it will be no different.
Because initially, when you enter the metaverse and how they are marketing it,
I wanted to react to something she said about what is delaying us.
And initially, when you enter the metaverse, it's open.
You enter and you think you're the one controlling the metaverse.
You're the one in charge.
That is just the honeymoon.
When the honeymoon is done, you actually realize you are being controlled by the metaverse.
So one of the things that is actually delaying the full form of the metaverse to be released
is actually the church.
Because they're not marketing the metaverse to the world, the people of the world.
No, because the people of the world are already part of the system.
For instance, if you're watching on TV and there's an advert of toothpaste,
and there's a model brushing his teeth,
they are not marketing that toothpaste to the model.
That model is already part of them, is already included.
They are marketing it to us.
So that's how it is exactly, that the metaverse is not being marketed to the people of the world.
They are already part of it, whether they know it or not.
It's just now as the church.
Because if you look at, for instance, in the garden, when the enemy comes and tempts Eve,
all the devil needs is for her to...
First of all, he speaks and says, as the Lord said,
what he's doing is his opening her imagination.
And she's thinking, but what happens if I eat this thing?
The church says that she saw, she saw, all this time she's seeing the fruit.
But she doesn't see that it's good for food until the devil comes.
Then she sees that it's good for food and desires to make you wise.
Where was she? She was in the verse, you know, in the metaverse.
For lack of metaverse, because we are trying to relate it with the subject tonight.
So she sees who she can be in the metaverse,
wise and unable to do so many things that the Lord is currently hindering her from doing.
So when she comes back, she says, this thing is good.
She eats it and nothing has happened yet until she gives Adam.
Then suddenly everything crumbles.
So that's exactly the metaverse.
It's not new.
It started from the garden, got projected into a different edge of Noah.
It has always existed because it's all about the imagination.
Isn't it interesting that the Bible says that in the beginning the Lord created the heavens and the earth
and the Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters.
He hovered over the waters.
And then he says, let there be.
All this time there has been darkness.
But when he says let there be, suddenly something bees.
And that's how it is in the metaverse.
I enter and I'm looking at my room and I say, I want a telescope here.
Let there be.
Giving us the ability, that ability that Eve was promised to actually be, to create.
But let me ask, these people have created this metaverse.
Do they know exactly what they're doing or they're just being used?
I really want to know.
And I'm interested.
Yes, sure.
Let's come in maybe before I...
So interestingly, Facebook changes its name, its parent name to meta.
And if you're a person who's interested in that kind of thing,
you'd notice that the activity on Facebook over the years has been dwindling.
And people are shifting to what is it, Instagram, TikTok, especially TikTok.
But even with those dwindling numbers, it's easy to think that Facebook has lost it.
But the tactic of putting all your eggs, you know, Mark Zuckerberg has put all his eggs into meta.
Yes, $10 billion.
And not just that.
What is it?
I think it was Google that has also co-invested into meta.
They know something that the rest of us don't know.
Don't know because you can't put all your eggs into one basket like that.
So my question is that if they could do this and they literally know a lot of things that most of us or most of the majority of the world does not know,
do they know what they're doing or are they being used?
I think they know because as human beings, where Mark Zuckerberg has reached,
he's looking for a thrill.
He needs something new, something that hasn't been done before.
And that thing should give him maximum control.
The amount of control he will have if meta is the base platform for the metaverse.
I mean, he has already claimed it, has called himself meta.
He knows what he's doing.
And then all of that is to have control because they have all the money they want.
Facebook isn't going anywhere.
Instagram isn't.
They want to conquer new realms and they don't want to use God because all these things are found in God as well.
But they don't want to have to do that.
So they have created a whole new spiritual.
They know what they're doing.
They know where they don't.
I think he thinks he knows, but he doesn't know.
That's what I think.
I think they think they know.
Yeah, but they don't know.
Because I don't think the devil is that stupid.
Because he always needs to have an alternative.
He needs to have a plan B, a plan C because he really doesn't know what the future really holds.
And I don't think the devil is the type who is going to say,
okay, after you do this, I will give you a Thronian in hell with me after you've achieved all of that.
So I think he thinks he knows, or they think they know, but they don't.
Because after they've been used, the devil knows his fate.
And he can convince these other guys otherwise and they would believe him because he's the master deceiver.
He's very cunning.
He can paint for a picture that looks like, oh, this is the future, but he knows what he's chasing.
So he knows it, but he's not going to reveal that to them.
Because if he tells you at the end of the day, and he shows you that look, this is what you're coming to,
the eternity you're coming to is hell, these flames, all of these, even your children.
I think I know where Derek is coming from.
Derek, I know where you're coming from. Go ahead.
I have a counter-attack.
Because as it was in the days of Noah,
when God tells Noah to go and build the ark,
Noah sees into the heavenlies, into the verse,
to keep the subject, and he sees this ark, sees the dimensions.
He hears them, and he sees where everything is going to be.
He even sees the animals entering before they enter.
Because the Lord allocates everything to where it's supposed to be.
Noah knows that I'm building this ark because it's going to ring.
God is going to destroy the earth.
So God says, go tell everybody.
So now there are two kinds of people that they know us and those know us are going to tell.
Like in every ministry, there's the man of God or the woman of God, and then the congregation.
You get it, you get the flow.
That's my analogy.
So at the very top, the Zuccas, and actually it's not just Facebook,
it's Disney, it's Google, it's...
But you see my point is there.
It's Apple, and at the top, they know exactly what their master is doing.
But the question is, you see my point is,
because I have a counter-counter to that.
And this is interesting.
I am preparing my counter.
But my thing is, are they at the top?
Because I don't think they are at the top.
I think there are people above them who are at the top, who are in contact.
You're right, you actually cut me short.
Okay, okay, okay.
Our counter is the same.
Okay, go ahead.
So I was saying, there are two kinds of people, you know, the knowers and the rest.
So now, have you heard of the phrase, they will own nothing and be happy?
Yes.
Until that is released, it's not just a phrase, it's coming from the dark world.
Until that is released, we don't know anything about the Metaverse.
When that happens, suddenly, we are seeing people, you know, wearing headsets, owning estates and what,
and they are happy in that world.
Be happy, own nothing and be happy.
They are saying, be happy in the other world, not this one.
So at the very top, those that sit at the cabinet know what's happening.
And it's not like, it's like in an organization, the CEOs,
I'd like to believe that the CEO knows what the janitor does not.
So I don't know if our counter is...
Yes, so in essence, if Mark Zuckerberg is the CEO of Meta, right?
I believe there is someone he takes orders from.
Yes.
Who is in the shadows, unseen, unnamed, and that person has direct contact with the spirit world
and the agenda that has to be brought onto this earth.
So it's possible for Zuckerberg to implement something without knowing the full story.
Yes.
But he knows at least a major part of it, okay?
But he doesn't know the end.
The end, yes.
Okay, that's my...
Enough to convince him to go with the plan.
Yes.
Yeah, and that's why they need meetings like the Davos meeting, or Davos or Devos.
I prefer to call it Devos, because from that place has turned out to be,
you know, they say incredulous things from there and they are affected immediately.
Now, the Metaverse, like I had mentioned earlier, is actually number one on their predictions.
Number one.
Interesting.
They have other predictions like self-producing crops.
If you've seen the protests in Netherlands about the farmers protesting, they're actually protesting.
You know, the government is telling them that their cows are producing CO2, you know,
rather nitrogen and their country.
But here's the thing, that entire thing of climate change is actually a fight against life.
Why?
Because they are fighting carbon.
When God created the earth, carbon exists in everything on the earth.
And do you know how much I was reading that out of their 100 million tons of nitrogen
that has been released in the earth, it only contributes 1% to CO2 emissions.
So they are literally fighting life, you know, God, you know, through things like those.
You get it.
So it's actually on top of the agenda of the enemy, the Metaverse and the Soleil, I think.
Agneta.
I have a question.
This is the place to have you.
Rabbi will answer.
So I think I'm just trying to figure out, like, what now?
Because I think the counterpoints are good points.
Yeah, they're counted.
And do you think that there was...
Because I would think that the whole thing is the human soul.
That's what they want.
So that's his overall agenda.
And anyway, because I'm thinking...
I'm trying to think of now what's his goal.
Because since Mark seems, he doesn't know everything.
And there's that guy behind Mark who knows more.
And I'm just trying to sort of think through what could be the end-end goal
that we can look at and then as a church sort of start to work through it.
You want to...
You see, the thing is, I've already said that there are three privileges that man was created with.
That no other being on earth has.
We have the privilege of redemption.
Man can make a mistake and God can overlook it by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Angels can't do that.
They make a mistake.
They become demons.
You understand?
The privilege of marriage.
Okay?
No other being has that.
Derek, you know, has the privilege.
And lastly is the privilege of multiplication.
Demons cannot give birth.
Thank God.
Imagine demons giving birth.
Now, it seems that the devil isn't just interested in man alone and the capacity that man has.
Because man has the spirit of God inside of him and he was given dominion over this earth.
The devil also is interested in this small planet.
And it's...
Yes.
So, yeah, it's very true.
Before I get to the planet, you know, the scripture says in 1 Corinthians, I think 6,
that, you know, give yourselves and your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, you know,
and you're bought at a price.
And then it says something interesting there.
It says that there are four on a God with your body and your spirit, which is God's.
But there's someone missing.
And that's the soul.
Yeah.
Yeah?
Because in the soul is where the soul is the thing that we have that no one else has.
Yeah.
You know?
So, that's the point the problem is making that they are actually after us, but also about
over this planet.
Because we know that in the end, there has to be, you know, a return of Christ, one,
on the earth, but also there has to be a millennium on this very earth.
And then finally, there has to be a new earth.
So, if you can stop any of those two, those three in its tracks, the dead God is lying.
Yeah.
But here's my thing, because this Metaverse thing is just so interesting.
We have other things to touch, but I want us to really delve into it.
How does, because I'm going to ask a tough question.
You're on Facebook.
Yes, I am.
Are you not?
Yes, I am.
I'm not on Instagram as an individual, actively anyway.
I don't even know what happens on TikTok, but I know people who get there.
I'm on Facebook.
Okay.
I'm some form of social media.
I'm on YouTube, and most of us are.
When the Metaverse is launched, will you participate?
On social media?
Yes.
Because, you see, my point is we are on these platforms because they have their benefits.
Okay.
And I'm sure they're going to sell these benefits to the church to get them into.
And most of these benefits are very hard to deny, especially if you're trying to reach
out to people and all the people are there.
I see why.
You get my point.
I see why.
Because it's just more like how Zoom happened.
We didn't see it coming.
All of a sudden, we couldn't meet physically.
Then, even for the organizations, it became the avenue to meet.
So, all of a sudden, let's have a Zoom meeting.
And before you knew it, you didn't even have to think twice whether it was, I need to attend
the meeting.
Zoom.
So, I get where you're coming from.
That's a very, very tricky speech in terms of the transition from Facebook to Metaverse
and realizing that you have been caught in this thing.
And the transition was smooth in such a way that you didn't see it coming and now you're
in there.
But even if you saw it coming, if all the people you're trying to reach, all the interaction
is there, you're forced to go there.
So, imagine I have a ministry that is 100,000 strong and physically, in this country, I
only have 5,000 people, but the rest are all over the world.
Okay?
Now, the benefits of Metaverse have been flaunted so much that that's the place to meet.
Yes.
What do you do as a church?
What you do as a church is you do not join.
Yes.
You don't even dare join because here's the thing.
So, like I said in the beginning, you think you have control when you enter, but it's
until you enter that you realize it's like the spiritual realm.
You think you're the one using God when you've just become safe.
I want this.
It's there.
I want this.
It's there.
Then suddenly he's saying surrender and you realize, eh, I'm not the one in control.
So, if you're a church, you don't enter, but the advantage from going back to the question
you asked about social media and what.
The idea is to shift it from what she said, augmented reality to taking it into the virtual
space.
And it is already there in small forms.
For instance, if you're playing video games, you have the ability to play online and chat
with someone in another country.
So, that's exactly how it will be that everything will be shifted to that plane.
That's why all these big companies, Apple, Disney, Google, Facebook, are all investing
heavily.
So, you're saying from day one the church should say no?
From day one, if it is a spiritual church.
Because I know already.
I was about to say something more.
They're already there.
They're actually already there.
Yeah.
But if it's a spiritual church, it should no better.
Because someone can argue it out and say, but there are people there.
We need to reach out to and serve them.
You know, it's like how when we're still young Christians, everybody I think has this
joke of how when we're still young Christians, you'd think, okay, you can take this gospel
and you go to the club and then you preach it there.
And when you first go in the first time, yeah, nothing is happening.
Then the next time you go, you start nodding your head.
The next time you're stomping your foot and before you know it, you're dancing.
So, you're part of it.
So, it could be some churches would think like that.
So, at the end of the day, then the question is...
But what if, okay, what if someone out there is asking, they're struggling to find how
being in the Metaverse plays into the end time?
How does it, how does, because I can understand how getting a chip in my hand or in my head
plays a role in like that's 666 and so on.
But how does being in that virtual reality play into the end time?
What is the major role it plays?
First of all, I'd like to correct your question.
It's not different.
It's not different.
That's the end game.
Because in order to get...
Because the scripture says that they will have a mark on their hand or on the forehead.
Now, this mark on the forehead previously we thought it's going to be like a back-word, you know?
But now we realize that it's actually talking about invasive technology.
It is going to be implanted.
But you see, because how do you...
I've been trying to look through, so we have this Metaverse.
How do you differentiate?
Because ideally it's going to be like a chip in the brain that will allow people to...
I think it's something like that, to enter this virtual reality.
How do you differentiate it from Neuralink and what Elon Musk is?
I think Neuralink, it helps the Metaverse.
It's supposed to support it.
It's the mechanism that helps the Metaverse become real.
And at the end of the day, it's what's going to create the global...
Okay, so someone who doesn't know what Neuralink is, Neuralink is actually a company.
I think that Elon Musk has started that focuses on enhancing the capacity of the brain.
And well, there's some future stuff in there.
It's freaky.
Yeah, sorry, I was still making the point of the mark of the beast.
Because in the scripture it says that it will force the rich, the great, the poor, everybody.
Everybody is trapped by the mark. How does he do that?
There has to be a way that people are convinced to actually take this mark in order to transact.
For instance, if I want to connect to the internet, I have to buy internet bundles.
I am forced to buy internet bundles.
So that's exactly how it will be, that they need this alternate universe in order for them to reach out to people en masse.
Now, you asked that if, you know, should the church go?
Now, here's the thing, that when I'm home praying and I say I'm in the spirit and I begin to see things and Angel appears to me,
that's how it will be in the metaverse, that demons will appear to people.
Because the subject of avatars, if you've watched the film, avatar, an actual cripple, human being, enters this alternate universe
and he can walk and he has this body, a blue, huge body, that's how the avatars are.
You can choose whatever you want.
Can angels appear in the metaverse?
I'm curious.
Interesting question.
Maybe we should ask them.
I should ask you.
Mark should tell us.
So this is because this feeds into, have you heard of transhumanism?
Yes.
We've heard of transhumanism.
So ideally what transhumanism is, is that there seems to be a transition,
an intentional transition to try to get man from being what makes him man into something else altogether.
And it includes like trying to transfer consciousness to machines.
They're playing around with DNA.
Recently I saw somewhere that they've invented a robot that can reproduce.
I wish I could, we'll get that clip.
I found it ridiculous, but it's a real thing.
So the cells of the robot are able to reproduce themselves.
And that's just at a lower level.
So imagine if they could do that.
Using all these aspects that make us human beings.
If you notice, I found it interesting that our DNA is about 80% matched to a cow's DNA.
80%, then what?
90 something percent to a chimpanzee, then a chicken.
So our DNA is not so far apart.
There is something inside our DNA that makes us superior, an invisible ingredient.
Because if you look at all these other animals, we are close, our genetics are close to each other,
yet they're not as superior as we are.
There's an invisible thing that was put in.
Now there is an aim through transhumanism to try to manipulate that DNA
and create almost another human being.
Now the reason why I brought that up is because I feel that is playing into the end times.
In fact, we did a whole series on end times that this is coming in.
I feel it plays in that right now technology is focusing a lot on, they drive the medical aspect of it.
If we could get nanobots and put them inside of you, they would be able to rebuild themselves.
Incovol that diseases could cure.
All that.
So they fronted the medical front.
Now, soon there's going to be talking about our memory.
You could have longer memory.
You could see better.
Father, smell, have a sense of smell much stronger than an average human being.
Strength.
So everything will be expounded.
Now the way God originally made us would have changed.
Now at the end times, there's going to be a battle that we talked about at some point.
Which I believe will have to include some form of, I'll call them super soldiers.
Super humans.
Super humans.
So these guys who maybe they were connected to the metaverse, but something about them changed.
They have different capacities and here comes this war.
And it's not a war between normal human beings.
Something has changed.
Yes, I was actually reading about this.
And it's very interesting how they are looking for ways to, to change.
It's so crazy because they say there's this gene in you.
That's the reason why you're like this.
If you don't like being like that, then yeah, I mean we can change the gene and then your memory is better.
You have blue eyes now.
You don't have, don't need to wear contacts for that.
It's such icons that they are really trying to find.
And the thing they keep mentioning I found very interesting is they want to find that code of life.
Yeah.
What do they call it?
That's what was code of life.
Like what's that, that code of life we are cracking it.
We're going to get it.
They just, they just want to, to be immortal.
They want to offer immortality to human beings.
Actually that's the end, end, end goal.
And you've heard of the God Particle.
So ideally I was talking about what they call the Hadron Collider.
It's in Switzerland.
I think it's this huge machine that was created in 1998 and 2000, between 1998 and 2002 I think.
And the purpose of it is to study small, the smallest particles and then collide them.
Now the Hadron Collider is an interesting thing because its purpose is to search for the God Particle.
The Particle that was the beginning of all, all particles.
Now they're wasting time because you know you've heard of the Singularity.
Yes.
So Singularity in essence is something similar.
So there is this one thing that led to everything and the Bible says it.
In him, nothing was created.
It was created.
Jesus is the God Particle.
And you're looking for him in the Particle.
He is the God Particle.
So I feel like the way technology is going right now, it is, like we've been saying, you didn't want that word.
There seems to be a fusion between, okay, technology, its source was spirit.
But now the line between what we call technology and the spirit world is very thin.
To the extent that you even wonder, is this spirit?
Is this, you know, we just looked at a video of a Google engineer whistleblowing that the machine that Google has, the computer that they have, has a soul.
Actually has a soul.
Now, we didn't go into the depth of it.
You look for it when you can.
But in it, he writes down the questions he asked this computer.
Freaky.
And the computer answers like any normal human being could have answered.
And his conclusion was, this thing has a soul.
How they achieved that?
I have.
Yeah, it's incredible.
And I actually think that that's how, that's one of the purposes of the virtual reality to be for people to interact with that demonic without their knowledge.
So you think you're talking to a normal avatar human being and yet it's not, but that's the form that it has to take now to interact with someone who is more spiritually aware.
But you can't tell what's real and what's not because everything has been made to seem like it's real.
It's freaky.
So let me ask, so we've talked about, we've talked about the metaverse.
I want us to look at things like, let's look at, for example, cloning.
Okay.
As far back as I can remember, 1990s, the first thing they ever cloned was a ship.
Officially.
Dolly the ship.
Yeah, Dolly the ship.
And since then cloning has gone quiet.
But you know, you know the way the dark world operates and we said dark world because a lot of these things have an ulterior motive.
There is always technology that is fronted to the world and there's technology that is hidden.
It is secret.
And I wanted to be clear that it's obviously all the technology that we have and that is introduced to us in steps.
Most likely some group of people had it years, years before it was released.
And for their own purposes, they're controlling the knowledge that people have, the access that people have to this technology.
It's even the same thing with the spiritual technology.
There are people out there with the dark arts or even light with the ability to manipulate things in the spirit.
Just by looking at the moon, a person can make a person another person short.
You understand?
There's a technology that he knows of the spirit, but there's a group of people who have kept it to themselves as the world quote unquote modernizes.
And so ignorance is a huge factor that the enemy is using to ensure that his agenda is furthered to a particular end.
My question then is that if we're looking at things like cloning, we're looking at any other technologies that have come up over time.
Recently I saw a video of a car where once you sit in it, it can tell you what you ate for breakfast, what your likes and dislikes are, where you'd like to go.
You haven't yet told it.
It's almost prophetic.
You understand?
That's literally a spiritual car.
What does God expect from the church?
Because you see the challenge is all these technologies seem to be coming from one avenue.
Individuals that ideally are being, if they're not directly in contact with the enemy, their tools.
What is the church doing?
Are we not supposed to come up with technology?
We are.
Actually, we are in slumber.
Absolutely slumber.
Because the scripture says, look, 1913, occupy until I come.
Now, if you're going to stop anyone from doing the will of God, they have a spirit which is listening to God, and they have a body which will move to do that thing.
But you have to capture their soul.
And that's the purpose of the metaphors.
That trap them in a place where they can do nothing.
Do nothing.
Or nothing.
Be happy.
Trap them in a place.
Now, the thing is, as a church, we are supposed to actually have technology that, and we have it already in raw forms.
Because, for instance, right now, people have ability to communicate with each other telepathically.
And, you know, I can be able to read your thoughts, and we can, you know.
And, you know, it says actually in the millennium, you know, because we're going to have glorified bodies, you're able to just, you know, go to London by the thought, you know, of what?
Because we will have that ability.
But as a church, we're instead waiting for the world to give us, because first of all, we're even ignorant that, you know.
So you think we're supposed to have like our own Facebook, our own...
Yes!
Okay.
We're supposed to have all these things.
And they are good.
So what happens?
Is it possible for Jesus to come back when we haven't done all that?
It is to be unfortunate.
Yeah, yeah, but yes, it's possible.
Yeah, it's possible, yes.
And we will be judged for it, because we cannot leave these things for the people who will be in the millennium, you know.
Because in the millennium, life is going to continue, technology is going to continue advancing.
Yet we are the ones, we could be the ones, the church could be the one which introduces mystical technologies to people who will be alive at the time of the millennium.
You know, but we are, you know, we are just going about with religion and all of these things.
And, you know, creation awaits for the manifestation of the sons of God, right?
And then the Bible also says in the last days, you will pour out his spirit.
And this is the thing that the church is not really paying attention to.
And I like to, like, I need to just, the church is still slumber.
And unfortunately, most Christians are lazy.
I think that's just the best way to handle this whole thing.
They are just lazy.
Because at the end of the day, when the spirit is poured out, and now we are in the last days,
where literally this is what our forefathers were at some point looking at saying,
if only I could live in that time, where like you're saying, if I need to talk to you, I can do it telepathically, okay?
When I need to move, I can just teleport.
And things like that, if we were to take our positions and actually harness those powers and harness those abilities,
things like the Metaverse would seem so inferior to this.
Because the experience of someone, if you find someone who knows a lot of spiritual crafting,
you know he has literally mastered that, and he knows that, you cannot convince them that the Metaverse is better.
So I think for us to counter that, it would be for the church to rise up and take...
But these guys seem to like, I'll give you an example.
Google owns all these servers, okay?
Literally, if you're starting something, I stand to be corrected, I think Facebook uses some of Google's servers, right?
If you're starting something on the face of this earth, it's literally impossible, at the current level,
to start something without using what they control, okay?
So for a Christian to start something that is outside that, first of all, you need to have your own separate servers.
Then you have to have your own satellites, okay?
For that to happen, we need to have our own billionaires.
Yes, and you need to have your own spiritual architecture of the things, you understand?
It needs to be something that's superior, because as long as it's inferior to what these guys are,
the world will float to it.
The world will leave it, it will leave the church and go to the other one.
So it needs to be something that's superior.
And the advantage that we have is, by the power of God and the Spirit, we can actually do that.
We can connect to that, and because if that's the intention, so that at the end of the day we're holding forth until it comes back, we can actually do that.
Daniel is told that in the last days knowledge,
It's not just talking about knowledge of scripture and what, it's talking about political knowledge, technological knowledge, you know?
So everything, as a church, we have the ability to develop these things.
And if you're actually called in that sphere of influence, if you're called into the technological world and you are seated there doing nothing, we will not be happy on the day of judgment.
I want to really highlight on this as we get into the last segment.
Cloning, because I feel someone, cloning in its true sense is literally, they get you in, I don't know how they do it, but they produce another version of you.
But that version does not have a soul.
That version does not have a soul.
So man is trying to take the place of God.
So that's called reproductive cloning.
So they got the embryo and then they do their things, introduce things, separate things, and then they get that embryo and actually a human, if they want a human being, a human woman has to be a surrogate.
And when they give birth to this person, it stands to be, I didn't find anything that said that the person had a soul.
But it's basically to transfer, they are looking for you to transfer consciousness, to transfer life experiences, to transfer the potent parts of your DNA to another human being that looks exactly like you.
Exactly, there's nothing different.
And yes, a part of that is for, it again goes back to immortality because if you have someone that looks like you but doesn't have a soul, and then your heart starts to fail.
Free heart.
And your body won't reject it because it's your heart.
That's very interesting.
And then also therapeutic cloning is the one where this time they don't use a human.
That's how they get stem cells.
So the stem cells now create a whole new body part.
And so they start regenerating.
And it's easy for you to say, oh, my blood just replaced the blood.
Yeah, my heart, my liver, my kidney.
So that one is more ethical.
And it's the one that has been pushed in the medical fields.
And it's the one that, it's the front, like how you said earlier, someone said, that they have a front that they put there to convince us.
And it's always about safety and human quality of life.
When I listen to such things, and I think to myself, does this technological advancement have a limit?
I'm not, I'm not talking about the people creating it, because obviously they don't.
But is there like a spiritual cap to how far they can go?
I think the thing that they will, that they will still fail to recreate is the soul.
Unless the cloned person becomes possessed by a demon, and then the demons start doing this thing.
I really think that that's the only thing, and that's that God particle.
I think they will try, because at the back of all of this is the devil.
I think he will try as much as he can with the last second he has to try and do something.
So I think it's just going to keep going on until Christ comes back.
That's what I think.
I don't think he's going to get to a point where he feels, okay, I think I have enough ammo.
Now let me wait for the return of Christ.
With the first clip that we played at the beginning of the show, I don't believe a computer has a soul.
I think it has come close to something like that, but a soul is a whole different thing altogether.
But that shows you how far AI is getting, how far it's getting.
Recently, I don't know if you guys know, in China, they've come up with a different way of monitoring.
They can read, they can control your mind, not read it, control it.
So they have what they call social points, a social system, and now they've integrated it into phones and so on and so forth.
So if I have an ideology, and I put it on your phone and I ask you to read it,
the computer will scan your perception of what you're reading,
and it will be easy for the person monitoring you to know whether you're for the government or not, and then they deal with you.
Now we're entering deep waters because it's functioning right now.
Yeah, that's true. I've seen what they call preventive arrests.
They come, find you home, arrest you.
We've seen you're going to commit a crime, come, we'll go for your own sake.
I mean, that's where it is now.
Oh my God, my God, surely there is, the human being has so much potential to create anything on the face of this earth
that, like the Bible says, had those days not been reduced, no one should what?
Yes.
No one would exist. These things just leave me downfounded.
Yeah, that's true. That's true. And you know, on the subject of cloning, you, I don't know if you saw it recently.
So Kevin Hart was involved in an accident and the car, there's no way someone would have walked out alive.
But so he's being interviewed on the show and they ask him, how did you tell us what happened?
And he just says, yeah, that was my clone, you know, I have to tell you guys that was my clone.
I have to say it, you know, yeah, and they laugh about it and yeah, you know, but you actually, if you, if you know what's going on behind the scenes,
you know that clones are not, they used to be something futuristic in films, but they actually exist because all they need is,
like you were explaining, to have your cells and be able to reproduce parts of you.
And you know, previously it used to be in movies where there's this rich guy who has a heart issue and then he pays money and they make a part of him.
It's just a body, it's dead, but all they needed is the heart.
And you know, recently there's somebody who got a heart transplant from a pig.
You know, he died a couple of days later, but so that's, you see, days of nowhere where we are being merged with animals,
we're being merged with technology and even the things like the Metaverse, presently it's non-intrusive.
I have to wear goggles, you know, and then enter, but the goal is to actually have it intrusive.
That's why I was talking about the mark of the beast, where because it is in you, you are trapped.
And now there's a scripture, Isaiah 42 verse 22, it says, but this is a people robbed and spoiled.
They are all of them snared in holes and they are hid in prison houses.
They are for pray and non-delivers.
You see, non-delivers.
That is how it is going to be when people are in the Metaverse, but ultimately will be forced to get the mark of the beast because currently in the Metaverse,
you're able to have a job, you can actually earn money in the Metaverse, you can buy property, you know.
You will take the mark of the beast, you know.
So if a believer is watching this, stay clear of what, unless a believer from the Lord has showed us, you know, because in this present form,
it's currently non-intrusive, but the truth is they want to have it intrusive.
So that I saw a guy who invented the Gago specs, you know, and you're walking on the street and you're communicating with your specs.
You just ask them where is Silver Springs Hotel and it's showing you.
Actually, you've watched the movie Free Guy.
That's exactly how the Gagos are.
And I was seeing this, I said, is this a movie?
And I was shocked because Free Guy is a movie of last year.
And this guy invented this thing, I think, as far as back as 2013.
And it's been around. I was in shock, you know.
So it's all about, first of all, capture the soul of the man, you know.
And keep him from doing what God has given him to do.
Because if you think you're going to do what God has called you, you're going to preach the gospel in the Metaverse.
You're going to go out and take over, you know, do the media, go play football in the Metaverse.
God has not called you to play it in an alternate universe.
He wants you to play it here, to do it here.
If you go ahead and participate in that, you know, type of alternate world,
you are missing what God has prepared for you to do here.
And now there will be no reward for that.
There will actually be punishment because you are not occupying.
You've gone astray.
You know, as we wind up, you know, I noticed what we call techno-optimists.
They believe that the purpose of technology ultimately is to create a sort of myopia where the world will be better.
And actually Elon Musk falls in that category.
He has this mindset of, like, future tech, we can make the world a better place and that.
Then there are techno-optimists.
They believe that AIs will destroy the world, you know.
But the biblical perspective of it is neither of those.
Because it says there will be a new city, a new Jerusalem and what and so on and so forth.
And I believe because this is a fallen world, the technology that we have, no matter how advanced, is still falling.
True.
And technology in its sense, in its true sense, is not bad or good.
It's just about who uses it.
That's the mindset.
So there's a light function to much of this stuff that is going to be.
And I believe that when the new heaven and new earth have been instituted
and the new Jerusalem has been set up as the capital, that there will be technology.
And it will be used for the right reasons.
The devil has really corrupted a number of things.
So we're going to go around and say our last words and any additions you might have before we close.
Let's give you something.
Okay, we'll give her. Yes?
Okay, so here's the thing.
The scripture says in John, I believe chapter 14, it says that
my food is to do the will of the Father and to finish His work.
So it's not just enough that you know what the will of God or you is to do.
But you have to also finish the work.
That's why Paul says, run the race and finish.
So here's the thing.
We've been talking about the Metaverse and all this stuff.
You have to understand that because we're in the last days
and you can clearly see from the trinity of the devil,
as students of the end time know, you know, the political, which is the UN,
it is fully on board with the Metaverse.
It even has a sustainable, you know, development goal, things about the Metaverse.
It is fully, the UN is fully on board, political tick.
And when we tick political, we've also ticked the Antichrist.
To the economic, all the tech giants, all everyone with money in their pockets
is investing in this thing.
Three, the religious.
Shockingly, the Vatican, you know, recently is also part of the Metaverse now.
They're for another thing.
Yeah, they are there and they, you know, they have these paintings.
They began with cowardly put, you know, an art gallery
so that people can go in the Metaverse and see it and what.
Then Catholics rose up and and said, what is this?
How come you're taking us to Widowai?
Then they pulled down the interview of the Pope actually advocating to,
but they are fully on board.
So everything, every structure of the devil, his Trinity is fully on board with this thing.
So you have to be careful as a believer.
We're in the last days and you need to actually find out what it is God has given you to do.
It's not going to be done in the Metaverse.
Find out what it is, go do it and finish it because Jesus is coming soon.
But you know, I would like to know what role Africa has to play because we are in Africa
and we seem to be behind technology.
We always get technology after the rest of the world has captured it.
And we have most of the techno gods are outside Africa.
And I believe it's a huge positive as well as a negative.
The huge positive is that the spirituality that has remained within Africa
has ensured that it will play a vital role as a forerunner in the coming of Christ.
But number two, it also says something about the fact that even if Africa is spiritual,
my mind is that if it's still spiritual, more technology should be coming from it.
Because the spirituality is the source of the technology.
So people are just shouting kumbaya, but they're not actually engaging that element
that other people, those techno gods, are engaging in order to capture many of these things.
So the role that Africa is going to play for me is I'm very curious about it.
Africa has a billionaire, a number of billionaires, the biggest of which is Dangoete.
And you correct me, but I don't know any of these guys who are directly involved with innovation or technology.
Do you know any?
I think actually I had that question. Why do you think Christians are scared?
Because the devil has told them that it is demonic and it is against God.
But the thing is, of course we know the devil makes nothing but corrupts what is actually of God.
So that's why Christians are scared of even spirituality itself, basic Christianity, prophecy for instance.
Somebody say, I don't want, how do you know?
But it's a technology because I'm able to communicate with your spirit.
And yet Google is always prophetic.
Exactly, it's able to tell me what I want to search for before I even find it.
And yet previous have just been talking about it.
I think let me go and watch this thing. The moment I put in the URL, it's suggesting.
That thing is fake here.
It really freaks me out.
I think for me it's, and I'm glad that you raised that question.
Because for me I'm coming from a place of the field of business.
And the role that let's say businessmen have to play in this end time.
And it's unfortunate that like you're saying, at the end of the day, Africa is so rich with spirituality.
But that spirituality has not been translated into having influence in the world that we're living in.
So at the end of the day, we have all this spirituality and all we are using it for.
And this is where the businessmen need to wake up and realize.
And I love this because you shared it at one of your fellowships that at the end of the day,
it's not just being up here on the podium, being up here on the pulpit.
That you can take your place as let's say a man of God.
You can be a businessman, but you're a man of God.
You understand? Now what you need to do is harness your spiritual abilities as a businessman
and use that to influence your world.
And in answering that, it would then be, okay, so these guys are doing that.
What do we do as the church? You understand?
Our concern is not countering what they're doing.
Our is, we have this flock.
How do we avoid this flock from going there?
You understand?
So then, but for us to have that knowledge and for us to have the wisdom to crack something like that,
we can only get that in the spirit.
And this is now where spiritual crafting comes in.
So as the pastor, as the teacher, as the man of God is up on the pulpit,
using his spiritual abilities, okay, and the spiritual crafting to heal disease and to do all of this,
each one of us has to own up to our own callings and ask ourselves the question,
how can I use my spiritual faculties to advance where God has called me?
And I think if we open our minds to that and stop just limiting spirituality to just the church
and coming and we heal and we tell you this, yeah, and then we tell you this is what's going to happen
and then leave it at that.
You know, there's, we're concluding, you know, there's such a thing as a spirit of innovation.
It's an actual spirit.
It's an actual spirit of innovation.
And I just feel like on a lower level, actually, I thank God when I read in the newspapers and,
you know, we have, what is it, Kira Motors and, you know, there's an attempt to be innovative,
but its influence is not as big as it can, but at least it's something.
But when I see, I'm always keen to find out are these people, is the church backing these people, you know?
It hurts.
They are fighting for congregants, they are testing devils, yet, you know, real action is taking place.
Because I think that's all ministry is.
And that's the thing that we are trying to...
Fulfill, yeah.
Explain here that at the end of the day, ministry is not just the man of God on the pulpit.
You understand, ministry is you who is in fashion, doing what you're doing with clothes and with designs and what so ever,
and how does it factor into the kingdom of God?
The other role we have is actually a redemptive role because we know that, for instance,
before all Christians, first of all, it's growing for manifestation,
but for instance, when the Holy Ghost comes and fills the centurion, he does not stop being a centurion,
but now he's a changed centurion.
Because he himself has been redeemed, is able to go and now redeem, do things differently, you know, as a believer.
But still as a centurion.
Exactly, as a centurion, as a media person, as a journalist, as a doctor, as an engineer,
there are actually examples in scripture where people actually stood up their believers,
but they don't necessarily have a pulpit, but there are servants of God doing something, you know?
Agi, we've said a lot, we want you to give your last word.
I think that as Christians, that fear that we have to press in,
because I think that we are now coming to an age where Christians are really realizing
that not all of us can be on the pulpit, not all of us should be on the pulpit.
This is where my strength serve, this is what my calling is,
but you're still afraid to press in and go, go deeper into the Lord,
because all these things that these people are trying to do are in God.
If we decide to take up the healing, we won't need that therapeutic one.
Exactly, yes, you don't need none of those.
If we decide to really take up, and by the way, it's not about you.
It's not about you, it's about dominating for the kingdom of God.
This is not about you pressing so that you can do the things that God wants to do
on this earth through you.
And it needs to, that fear of, ah, what if a demon,
if the demon, you're more powerful than the demon, you have Christ in you,
just banish that guy and move on.
That's my final word.
Okay, I want to end with a scripture, you know?
We've been talking about Medavas and a number of things,
we've just highlighted because of time,
but Jesus said something that I found interesting in John chapter 10.
He said, I tell you the truth.
The person who does not enter the shipfold, there is a shipfold,
and this shipfold is not on earth.
It's in the realm of the spirit, it's an actual place.
He says, by the door.
But climbs in some other way.
He's a thief.
Now, in the same chapter, he talks about a wolf
that comes inside the shipfold to scatter.
The wolf is the devil, the thief is different.
He understands, the thief is jumping over the head
and trying to enter that that was made for the ship, the fold,
and he calls him a thief.
And I believe that's what they're trying to do with this Medavas.
Yes, yes.
So, as we come to the conclusion,
I want to say this, that Jesus is the only way, the truth.
And the life.
And the life.
We are called as Christians to be very knowledgeable,
and that's why we're discussing many of these facets.
The church has its role to play.
There's a spirit of innovation that the Lord has put on us.
Other people are dominating because they were made by the living God.
But it's also the time for the church to rise up,
to come up with our own technology,
to also counter some of these things that they're doing.
We want to end with a clip to show you how far technology has gone.
And then we'll see you next time.
Let's play that clip.
Let's take them down.
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Do you like it like this?
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