And even love you, not by father.
And even love you, Lord.
My heart, it beats for you, and precious Jesus.
And even love you, Lord.
Greetings, everyone.
Welcome back to the R.D.M. radio show,
listening to Derek Mohiro, also known as Derek the Priest,
and I'm with the Rabbi Daniel Malinga.
I'm going deeper and deeper,
unveiling mysteries, talking revelations,
as regards to death, the concept of death.
Well, we started from life before this,
life that we are living,
you know what we're doing while you are still in heaven,
and we talked about how that affects the life that you live
in this time realm, and also the transition into the other side,
which is life of death.
All these three realms interact,
and we keep going deeper and deeper,
explaining different mysteries and revelations that have to do with this.
And so, yeah, allow me, welcome the Rabbi Daniel Malinga.
Thank you, Derek.
We've done a number of sessions, the last session.
We just talked about how thin the veil between this world
and the world to come or the other world is,
and how there seems to be some loopholes or legalities
that allow certain spirits to have access to this realm,
though temporary.
And by spirits, I'm talking about the spirits of men
that have lived this earth.
Today, I want us to just, I want to touch on
in the region of the underworld,
okay, health.
And with that, I'll touch a little bit on
what happens to the believer, the unbeliever in that realm.
Mm.
Now, you're going to read from echologians chapter 1 verse 60.
Okay, Colossians chapter 1 verse 16.
It reads,
Oh, by him, where all things created that are in heaven
and that are in the earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities
or powers, all things were created by him
and for him.
Okay, so we know that God created all things visible
and invisible.
And so everything, there are things that we can see
that were created and there are things that are unseen
that were also created.
When Adam failed, two major things happened.
There are many things that happened, but two major things happened.
One, that the kingdoms of this world
were handed over to the devil because when the devil appears
to Jesus, he says,
the Bible says he showed him the kingdoms of the world.
I said, all these have been given to me.
Yes.
Okay.
And they were handed over to him by Adam when he failed.
Now, when most people think about the kingdoms of the world,
they're just thinking about the physical kingdom,
the Greece, America, the kingdoms of the world.
They are kingdoms that are in spiritual realms
that are attached to this earth.
So Adam's rule was anything connected to the realm of earth.
He's dominion.
That's why the Bible says you shall have dominion over the fall
of the air, which is not just talking about birds.
It's a summary.
It talks about that that lives in the sea
and every beast and creeping crawling creature
that walks up on the face of the earth.
So he's given a certain degree of dominion over everything
in the realm of men.
Now, there are three major realms of bait four.
I'll say it again.
There are three major realms of bait four.
The first realm is the realm of heaven or the heavens.
Okay.
The second realm is the realm of men.
Okay.
Or the realm of the earth.
The third realm is the realm under the earth, the underworld.
And there's, I'll call it a fourth realm,
but it's linked to the earth realm.
It's the realm of the sea.
So there are three major realms,
but they can be categorized as four.
Because there is the sea on earth.
The Bible says the waters below and the waters above.
There are seas below and there are seas above.
Okay.
And this is, I need to tell you so.
So there are three major realms of bait four.
Okay.
But I won't dwell on the fourth one for today.
Okay.
All these regions have their controller.
Okay.
God controls the realm of heaven and the underworld.
Yeah, I didn't expect that.
God controls the realm of the heavens and the underworld.
Okay.
Now please understand that God is God so he controls everything.
Yes.
But in terms of legalities.
Well, you know when the Bible says the heavens and the heavens belong to God.
But the earth has a good children of men.
And God can control the earth, but the earth has given it to children of men.
So in the same kind of mindset, God controls the heavens.
He controls the underworld.
And I'm going to explain to you,
the devil does not control the underworld.
Because the underworld is a prison.
Okay.
But the realm with the devil had control is the realm of earth and the sea.
That had been given to man.
If you don't understand this and you won't understand hell.
So I need to set this up now.
So each has its area that is being controlled.
He created everything.
All these realms, all these regions, actually I'll call them regions.
When he created all these regions, the three regions plus the fourth that I told you is the sea.
Each region has its inhabitants.
The inhabitants in the heavens, plural,
the inhabitants in the underworld,
the inhabitants in the sea and the inhabitants on the earth.
Okay.
All right.
The Bible says in Genesis chapter 1,
that in the beginning God created the heavens,
and the heavens, plural and the earth.
Now that means from the biblical perspective,
if it says the heavens and the earth,
we know that they are more planets than the earth.
He's Jupiter, he's Mars, he's what?
That means from a biblical perspective,
when it says heavens and the earth,
the Bible's mindset is that anything outside the earth falls within the category of the heavens.
Okay.
You with me?
Yes.
That's why it says the heavens.
So Jupiter, Mars, all those are in a certain category of heaven.
Yes.
Then there are other galaxies and so on and so forth.
Each has its inhabitants.
Okay.
Then there's Earth.
And Earth has its room.
There's a spirit world linked to Earth.
Okay.
Yes.
That has its inhabitants.
All right.
We had this discussion the other time and I was explaining to you that
the Chinese calendar is thousands of years old.
Yes.
It has the air of the pig, the air of dog and so on and so forth.
Yeah.
All these creatures exist.
Yeah.
Now there's the air of the dragon.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Now is it possible that all those creatures could exist except one?
No.
You see, this guy is going to must have got it from somewhere.
This is a creature that actually exists.
All these things that we talk about, Phoenixes.
They exist.
Job 39 was named.
You know what a Phoenix is?
Yes.
It's that bad that never dies.
Yes.
It's just consumed in fire and reborn.
When it comes, when it's, when it's, yeah, it's a fool.
It's consumed in fire and it rises out from the ashes as a new.
So all these stories come from somewhere.
They don't just, yeah.
They're not just fables.
Okay.
Job 39 was named.
He read from the KJV.
KJV says, will the unicorn be willing to serve thee or abide by thy crib?
So a unicorn exists.
Now the translations, because the translator looked and says,
unicorn, they just give it another meaning.
But the original translation says unicorn.
So we should take it as it says it.
Yes.
Okay.
That these creatures exist in a certain room tied to the realm of men.
Okay.
Now, because God created the heavens and the earth and have explained
that everything outside the earth is considered heavens.
Plural.
That means generically.
Every being outside the realm of earth is called angel.
Okay.
Generically.
Okay.
That means there are times in scripture when the Bible could be referring
to angel.
But it's actually referring to a type of being and it's using a generic
term.
Okay.
So a unicorn could be an angel.
Okay.
A phoenix could be an angel.
A dragon is a fallen angel.
But they're all angels.
Now, because God created everything, every creature that we've known of,
the people have talked about, dwarfs, what vampires and those,
they have somewhere they came from and they have types in the spirit world.
I want to say this in a way that they can understand that there is nothing
God did not create.
So anything that is demonic is only a fallen version of what God created.
Okay.
So if you have understood that, then you'll understand that not all theories
are evil of all the creatures.
Okay.
Not all dwarfs.
Vampire.
Mermaid.
Okay.
Not all marine spirits are demonic.
Okay.
Oh, I have taught this before because there's a scripture and revelation that
talks about the angel in charge of the waters.
An angel of God is in charge of the waters.
So there are angelic spirits that deal with the water.
All right.
Yeah.
We haven't got to hell yet.
No.
Now, God by His divine wisdom, when He created earth, all these realms that were created,
all these regions.
What did, what regions?
We said the heavens and the heavens are many.
Yes.
They're not just three pulses.
I went up to a third heaven.
It's like saying I went to the third classroom.
It doesn't mean they're just three classes.
There's more to it.
Yeah.
There's more to it.
Now, I'll get to that in a moment.
There are many heavens.
Then He created the realm of men, which is earth, then the underworld also created by
God.
Yes.
Okay.
Then the sea is also created by God.
Now, the realm of earth, every region that God created has as its foundation
underlying elements that create that region.
So the realm of earth was created with elements of light, earth, air, fire, water.
Those are the foundational elements of the realm of men, the realm called earth.
And God, what He does is that every element, He puts a spirit in charge.
That's why there's an angel in charge of the waters in the Book of Revelation.
That's why there are spirits that operate by fire.
The Bible says that my auntie and the ministering spirits in terms of flames of fire.
Yeah.
The Bible says that the angels who have spoken as of the earth to control the winds of the
focus of the earth, the angels in charge of air, the wind.
The Bible refers to the divas, the prince of the power of the air.
Okay.
So all these elements have beings in charge of them.
Yes.
Now, there are other regions that are created by different foundational elements.
Okay.
You understand?
Not like ours.
And that's why you find it.
I've told this before that.
A lot of the elements that we see here on earth are fallen.
Okay.
Fire, there's fire on earth, but there's fire in the realm of the spirit.
Yes.
The Bible says of God, He's a consuming fire.
Yes.
That fire that God is is not the same that we know here.
The lake of fire is not your no more, stop trying to compare it to this fire here.
The other fire is alive.
It's a living being.
Okay.
There's water on the other side.
Just as there's water here.
What does the Bible say?
It talks about the river of new phrases.
No.
I'm not talking about your phrases.
There's a river of life.
Oh, yes.
The river of life.
Okay.
Yeah.
There's a river of life.
The Bible talks about that in front of the throne.
The throne is a sea of glass.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, the way we perceive things here on earth, the other side things are multiplied.
They look, they have the career life of their own.
The vibrancy is way higher.
Yes.
I mean, look at the scriptures.
John, the river liters says, I had the seven fandas say.
So in the other side, fandas speak.
They have a life here.
You're just hearing boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo.
Okay.
So these regions have beings.
Their elements, the elements are different in the way they operate in this earth and
operate in the other world.
Okay.
But they're also unknown elements.
Elements will know nothing about.
Okay.
Now, I had to make that street so that you can understand now these clear regions.
Why?
I think these three major regions.
The Bible says that every knee in heaven on earth and under the earth.
Okay.
Shall bow.
So those are the three major regions.
Okay.
But why I'm adding the sea is because the Bible says that when a devil fell in the book of
Revelation, verse 12, chapter 12, it says, war and to you in habitants of the earth and
of the sea.
Wow.
Can you read the scripture?
Revelation, chapter 12, just look for it very fast and we see.
Revelation's 12 verse 12.
It says, rejoice.
Therefore, rejoice your heavens and hear that dwell in them.
War to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea.
But the devil is come down unto you having great wrath because he knows that he has
but a short time.
So the inhabitants of the earth and the habitants of the sea.
I have some time back I try to explain the disinhabitants of the sea and not there are
a separate being who call this world home.
They are not fish.
They are not whales.
They are inhabitants under the sea that call this world home.
Okay.
And so when the devil fell, there is a warning sent to those who live on top of the earth
and those who live on the sea that this guy has come to you.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
Now, let's go on a bit because you will ask some questions now.
Yes.
Because these regions exist and they have the inhabitants.
It's important you understand that the devil specifically and some fallen angels.
Fallen angels are different from demons.
Yes.
The devil and some fallen angels are not in hell.
They are not there.
Let's read Revelation 20 verse 2 to 3.
Revelation 20 verse 2 and 3.
It says, and he laid hold on the dragon and that old serpent which is the devil at certain
and bound him a thousand years.
And cast him into the bottomless pit and shut him up and set a seal upon him that he should
deceive the nations no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled.
So you see there that the devil is grabbed and thrown into that bottomless pit and the
bunch says, hell.
Okay.
Yes.
So if he's grabbed and thrown there, that means he's not in there.
Sure.
Okay.
I agree.
Yes.
They can't put you where you already been.
Yeah.
And it concludes by saying to the thousand years should be fulfilled and after that he must
be lose a little season meaning he will be bound for a moment but then again he will
be lose.
Okay.
So the devil is not in hell.
The Bible says he roams around like a rowing lion, seeking home.
If you're in prison, how can you roam around?
Even with Job, it's like I've been moving to and forth.
So the devil's judgment hasn't yet come and him and some fallen angels occupy the
second heaven.
They have a realm in the second heaven.
Huh?
Which originally belonged to another.
Yes.
A realm there where they're occupying.
Now there are spirits that I inhale.
Okay.
Because hell is a prison of swords.
Yes.
Matthew chapter 25 was 41.
Let's read that very first day.
Matthew chapter 21.
25 was 41.
Matthew 25 was 41.
It reads and says then shall he say also unto them on the left.
The part from me, he accustomed to the everlasting fire.
Prepare for the devil and his angels.
So he's talking about a realm called everlasting fire hell.
Yes.
And he's saying it's prepared for the devil's angels.
They don't occupy it yet.
It's just reserved.
It's reserved for them.
And so there was no believer who was supposed to go to hell.
Yes.
So this place was created for them.
It's a prison of swords.
In Job chapter 2 Job goes down into the waters.
And the Bible says the bars had covered him.
He went to a prison of swords for three days and three nights.
Okay.
So ideally this place under the earth, under this earth,
there's a place that is a prison for specific spirits.
Now, if you dug and there's a limited dig, dig, dig, dig,
until I reached the core of the earth, what would you see?
That's interesting.
Because the testimonies of guys who were doing that similar act,
and they go to a point of absolute, not absolute heat,
but fervent heat.
But they could also hear voices and screams.
And so they had to abort.
They had to do a Russian scientist or something like that.
I had about that online.
But the man can only go so deep, imagine the oceans,
because of the pressure down there.
We can't be sustained down there.
Yeah, down there.
So there's a lot of secrets down there.
We don't know.
The same with the core of the earth, if you continue to dig,
the heat is too much.
But just like you'd go to the planets and see nothing,
except what you're seeing physically.
I think it would be something like that.
Where you're seeing love or you're seeing heat.
But there's a spiritual world attached to what you're seeing.
Okay?
Yeah.
Now, I'm going to get to that in a moment.
Okay.
So we said they're regions.
These regions also have realms.
Just like the region of earth has, can have physical realms.
There's Africa.
It's a continent.
It's Europe.
They're physical.
Then the region of earth itself also has spiritual realms.
There are realms attached to earth.
So you can go to a forest, see a forest,
but there's a spiritual world attached to that story for us.
There's a spiritual world attached to Africa that is different
to the spiritual world attached to Europe and linked.
It's one spiritual world, but different regions.
Okay?
So within these regions, the heavens,
the earth, underworld, the sea, they are specific realms.
There is a room called paradise.
Okay.
In which region?
In the heavens.
Okay.
There is a room called paradise.
Now originally that room was under the ground.
Okay.
It was Abraham's bosom.
Yes.
Okay.
Now that there's a region that region could paradise.
Okay.
It's one room in the heavens.
We think that when you die and leave this earth,
where we're going is paradise,
but that's just one room.
There are other rooms we don't know about that are not paradise.
Yes.
In the heavenly room.
You understand?
Yes.
There, there, there,
we'll talk about pogatory at some point.
You know what the word pogatory means?
Pogatory comes from the word patch.
What is?
To patch fire.
Hmm.
Interesting.
Very lovely with that.
Is it say something about,
say something about, there's nothing that is named that does not exist.
Yes.
There's nothing that is named that does not exist.
So if there's a phoenix,
it exists,
it may not exist in the form that we've seen it,
or we know about it,
but it exists.
If there's a vampire,
there's a form of it that exists.
Anything that is named exists.
When something is not named,
it doesn't exist.
Okay.
And I remember when we talked about this,
we said that in the spirit world,
everything has a name.
You might not know the name,
because some names are revealed,
but as long as something is named,
it exists.
If I think it does not have a name,
it does not exist.
Okay.
That was just a by the way.
So we said there's paradise,
which is a particular realm.
Okay.
Now,
Paul mentions it in scripture.
Hmm.
He said he says,
I know of a man,
whether in the body or not.
Yeah.
This is 14 years ago.
Yeah.
Um,
he was taken up to the third heavens
Yes.
To paradise.
So he was taken to a particular realm called paradise.
Hmm.
Jesus turned to the guy and said,
Today you will be with me.
Yeah.
But what we see was referring to as a Brahms bosom.
Hmm.
Interesting.
Because that's where he went.
Jesus went after.
Yes.
Okay.
Now,
if that's making sense,
because I'm moving slowly so that we can,
uh,
touch things that I want us to touch.
Okay.
There are realms that only good knows.
There are unknown realms.
Okay.
Some that might not have beings in them.
They are unoccupied and they are kept for specific.
Uh,
for his children,
for his children.
Or as rewards,
they're given to men as rewards.
Hmm.
You know,
the scripture says in Hebrew chapter six,
it says,
God such and seeing that there was no one greater than him.
Hmm.
He saw by himself.
By himself.
Hmm.
The only means for good to such.
Hmm.
He's such looked everywhere.
Hmm.
That there is in every realm,
studied every royal being.
Hmm.
And so that there was no one greater.
Hmm.
There are unknown realms beyond the ones that we know.
Okay.
And are going to be revealed to us as time goes on.
Now, quickly.
Um,
like I emphasize that in all realms except,
except the realm of God,
God abides,
they are good,
they're demonic and divine beings.
Yes.
So if you want to Jupyter now,
Hmm.
They're not just demonic beings.
They're...
Jupyter has its spiritual world.
Yes.
Just like the earth has its spiritual world.
And they're beings attached to that divine and demonic.
Yes.
That are in constant.
Hmm.
Whoa.
Hmm.
But we love our territory.
Not just,
yeah, of our territory.
Hmm.
Okay.
You go to Saturn,
the same thing.
Hmm.
They are royal beings.
They are regions in which spirits
are in charge.
Hmm.
And all that.
Now.
Hmm.
Hell.
Hmm.
Has dimensions.
Hmm.
If you go to the underworld,
their dimensions.
Hmm.
The Bible talks about the bottomless pit.
Hmm.
Also referred to as the deep.
Yes.
Also referred to as the abyss.
Yes.
So those are the same thing.
The bottomless pit.
The deep.
And the abyss.
I need to explain that there's...
There are two versions of the deep.
There's the deep that has to do with water.
The Bible sees.
And the speed of God hova-dova.
Hmm.
Other than deep.
That has to do with...
Jesus told the disciples,
launch into.
Into the deep.
Okay.
That's...
That has to do with water.
This is a deep that has to do with the pit with hell.
Okay.
When Jesus was casting out a demon,
it says,
have you come to torment us before our time?
Hmm.
Then the demon requests not to be sent to the bottomless pit.
Hmm.
Okay.
Hmm.
That means their regions under the world,
the demons are scared of.
Hmm.
I get you what I've said.
You can refine that scripture.
Yes.
Let's look for it and then read it properly and quote it.
Hmm.
Okay.
This is, um, this is Matthew.
Hmm.
Matthew chapter 8 verse 31.
Okay.
Hmm.
It says,
so that there was be so team saying,
if thou cast us out,
suffer us to go away into the head of the swine.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Hmm.
What the part where it says,
it says,
the speech says,
have you come to torment us before a time?
Hmm.
Let me get it.
Hmm.
It says,
and behold,
they cried out saying,
the way to do with each Jesus,
thou son of God,
a thou come here to torment us before the time.
Hmm.
And there was a good way of,
from them,
a heart of many swine feeding,
so that there was be so team saying,
if thou cast us out,
suffer us to go away into the head of swine.
Okay.
Now,
um,
there's a,
and you look for the part that doesn't just say,
cast us before a time,
it says,
don't send us,
you've come to send us to the deep,
pit.
Okay.
I don't know whether it's a different version,
or it's a,
a different story in one of the Gospels.
Okay.
Um,
that says that.
Hmm.
I really tried to summarize them.
And each region has various rooms inside of them.
Yes.
This rooms have inhabitants.
Yes.
And these inhabitants have different kinds,
unknown creatures.
Uh,
uh,
okay.
Hmm.
So,
there is Luke 8.
Look at 826,
Verse 37, there it is.
It says, I'm going to read down.
Okay, from verse 27 it says,
and when he went forth to land,
they are met him out of the city,
a certain man that had there was a long time
and were no clothes.
Neither aboard in any house, but in the tombs.
When he saw Jesus he cried out and fell down before him
and to the loud voice said,
what have I to do with Jesus?
Thou son of God, most high.
I beseech the tormentment not.
For he had commanded the unclean spirits
to come out of the man.
For often times he had caught him
and he was kept bound with chains
and in fetters and he broke them
and he broke the buns and was driven
of the devil's into the wilderness.
And Jesus asked him saying,
what is the name?
He said, Legion, because many devils
were entered into him.
And they besote him that he would not command them
out to the deep.
Okay, that's the one I was looking for.
Yes, look at the one.
So they're trying to avoid going to the deep
or what they call the bottomless feet.
So there's a dimension in the underground
called the deep or the feet or the abyss.
That demons fear to go to.
So the perception we have of hell,
generally, is that demons are running around
doing whatever they want, but hell is a prison
and it's a prison in two types.
It's a prison for spirits that were not in God
and it's a prison for demons.
Okay.
Now, and there are areas
or chambers where demons themselves get tormented.
That's why the previous version says,
says the previous ghost point Matthew
says, have you come to torment us before our time?
So there's a place of torment.
And there is a time I pointed.
Yes.
And now, do you know who does the torment?
It's the reason it goes back to what I was telling you
that God controls the heavens
and the underworld.
Yes.
That's why Revelation 20,
verse 1.
Revelation chapter 20, verse 1.
Revelation chapter 20.
And verse 1, it reads,
and I saw an angel come down from heaven
having the key of the bottomless speed
and a great chain in his hand.
Okay.
So there's this angel that comes from heaven
and he has the key of the bottomless speed.
That key is not with the devil.
Oh, yes.
So the underworld is a jail
and because it's a jail,
the prisoners cannot control it.
Sure.
Is it?
Because the Bible says,
hell was created for the devil
and his angels.
So we perceive,
you know,
I think it's the devil's office.
The devil's office.
Yeah.
That's not what it is.
That the reason why demons,
their regions,
why they fear to go down there
because they're being tormented
by angelic beings.
Okay.
Revelation's 1, 18 says,
I am here that leaves and was dead
and behold, I am alive forever more.
Amen.
And have the keys over hell
and of death.
Yes.
Let's use this.
Okay.
Now, I want you to understand it.
This is just powerful.
That these are region in the underworld
according to hell.
There's a region
called the entire underworld hell.
Okay.
There's a region in hell
called the bottomless pit
and that bottomless pit
demons fear it.
Hmm.
Okay.
Now,
this angel in Revelation 20
that came down
had the key to the bottomless pit.
Okay.
A particular region in hell.
Jesus took the keys of hell.
They are many.
Oh, yes.
So for that different dimension.
Different dimensions.
Yeah.
All these regions.
He took the keys
and in Revelation,
this angel has a key
to a region called the bottomless pit.
Interesting.
Oh.
Okay.
And in that region,
these things,
these,
these specific
beings that are taken there.
Let me show you.
Isaiah 14, 15.
Isaiah
chapter 14,
and verse 15.
And trees and says,
yet thou shall be
brought down to hell
to the sides of the pit.
Okay.
So
he's brought down to hell
but to the side of the pit
which is a different place.
Yes.
Wow.
A different region altogether.
Wow.
Okay.
And that one is for tormenting demons.
Interesting.
So it's bottom,
there's a bottomless pit.
Yes.
There's a bottomless pit.
But down that pit,
there are sides to it.
The presence of torment
and affliction.
You're not, you haven't got it.
That's what I've said.
Okay.
There is hell.
In hell,
there's a bottomless pit.
There's a region called the bottomless pit.
That's why Isaiah 14, 15 says,
you shall be brought down to hell.
The region of hell,
to the side of the pit.
Oh.
I get you.
To the side of the pit.
Wow.
Okay.
So it's a satan region.
So this is all a different region
from the bottomless pit.
No.
Because it is to the side of the pit.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You're not understanding.
The side of the pit is the region of the bottomless pit.
Yes.
Okay.
Because it's the bottomless pit.
It's the side of the pit.
Okay.
Again.
It's like saying,
you will go to,
let's say,
say,
but to the side where there's a swimming pool.
Hmm.
Okay.
So you're saying,
you're brought to hell.
Hmm.
Hell is the whole place.
Yes.
But to the side of the pit.
Yes.
Where the pit is.
Okay.
That's where he's brought.
Okay.
So there's a region called the bottomless pit.
Okay.
And that region according to scripture is also referred to as the deep.
Hmm.
Also the abyss.
Because that angel in charge of the abyss or the bottomless pit has a key.
Hmm.
Okay.
These demons didn't want to go.
Hmm.
Please don't send us there.
Hmm.
There's someone tormenting demons.
Hmm.
And it's not fellow demons.
Wow.
Hahaha.
The prison widens are not demons.
They're not demons.
Hmm.
Are you with me?
Hmm.
And we haven't even got to the lake of fire.
Hmm.
We haven't got to that yet.
Hmm.
That's one region.
Let's touch other regions called the sake of time.
Okay.
There's a region.
Second pita chapter two verse four.
Second pita chapter two and verse four.
Hmm.
Reads and says,
If God spared not the angels that sinned but cast them down to hell.
Okay.
The word hell there is tatters.
Okay.
Now this scripture here is referring to the angels that sinned.
Okay.
So let's clarify.
Hmm.
Between the angels that fell with the devil in Revelation chapter two verse three.
Okay.
And these angels that sinned with the women.
Hmm.
Genesis chapter six.
These are two different categories.
And in here the Bible says these ones were taken to tatters.
Hmm.
Second pita two four.
So tatters or hell.
Hmm.
It says hell.
So it's a region in hell where these particular beings.
Yeah.
Specifically are kept.
Hmm.
It's not the pit.
Hmm.
Huh?
Yes.
These particular beings that that sinned.
Hmm.
They're kept by themselves and they've been there.
Okay.
Hmm.
Okay.
Yeah.
Uh, if I don't know.
Is it two chapter one?
Okay.
So you don't he has one.
Uh, is it verse six?
Read from verse six.
Okay.
Uh,
Jude verse six.
And the angels which kept not their first a state, but left their own habitation.
He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness in two and two the judgment of the
great day.
Okay.
Yes.
So this is the same status.
Okay.
These ones are not being tortured.
Hmm.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
It's different from Toment.
Yes.
So there's a region called Tataras.
Hmm.
There's a region called the bottom list.
Okay.
Hmm.
Now.
There's also a region called Gehena.
Hmm.
Mm.
Machu.
Why do you know that?
Okay.
Mm.
Okay.
Mm.
And not the whole body should be cast into hell.
And if they, right hand of end, they cut it off and cast it from the, for it is profitable and to the, that one of the members should perish and not that the whole body should be cast into hell.
Now, there's, there's a Kajevi version that says, is that Kajevi?
Yes, it's Kajevi.
It's a version that says, Gehena.
It doesn't say hell.
But, okay, it doesn't matter.
The translation there is different.
Yes.
It's the word Gehena.
Now Gehena means fire.
Yes.
Okay.
And this is the reason why some people would have experiences of hell just being dark.
Okay.
Another people are shouting in fire.
Another someone is isolated all alone because they're different regions.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, Jesus refers to Gehena, which, which means burning fire.
And he's talking about here.
He's talking about, he's talking about the source of men.
Okay.
So let's just recap.
There's a region where demons are tormented.
The bottomless.
Yeah.
There's a region called Tataras, where some fallen angels, not demons.
Yes.
A being kept reserved in chains.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
I'll show you at some point that these, these beings being reserved in chains.
This region is another sea.
Okay.
It's not.
Yes.
It's a place under the sea.
Yes.
Okay.
So then there is this region called Gehena where some people, souls of the living, who
have, of people who are living on earth, then some form of fire.
Yeah.
Actually checked out the dictionary.
The original translation from Greek is that what Gehena?
Hmm.
To mean hell.
Yes.
So Gehena is different from Tataras, which is different from the deep.
Yes.
Well, the bottomless speed.
Yes.
Okay.
The word Gehena actually comes from the sun, the sun's of Gehena.
Okay.
A certain group of people that were mentioned in scripture.
It's an area.
Okay.
Now that area is where they used to have rubbish in the time of Jesus.
And they would just ban a rubbish.
So it was a constant flame, banning.
That's where the word Gehena came from, from the sun's of Gehena.
Okay.
Now.
Yes.
Spirits are good.
That fire there is not your no more.
Your no more fire.
Okay.
Yes.
Now there are regions in the underworld.
Where demons are given the free reign to torment certain spirits of men.
Okay.
So within the confines of the underworld, there is a region where the demons are free to do what they want with specific spirits under there.
Okay.
Yes.
I'll give you an example.
When someone goes to prison.
Hmm.
You're all in prison.
But there are people who are tortured by prisoners.
Yes.
In the prison.
You understand it?
Yes.
Now in Acts, the Bible says of, you look for it.
In Acts scripture talks, Acts chapter one.
It talks about Judas and the Bible says that he was taken to his own place.
Oh, yes.
So Judas has his own place.
He's not, he's not in Kajula with everyone.
By virtue of what he did and the type of person he was, there is a specific area that he's
used.
That was put in.
Just for him prepared just for him.
Can you get it?
It's Acts chapter one.
Watch up that too.
Okay.
Acts chapter one, verse 25.
Okay.
Acts chapter one, verse 25.
It reads and says.
Okay.
Let me start from 24.
And they prayed and said, download which knows the hearts of women.
Sure.
Weather of these two.
You have chosen that he may take part of this ministry and a postorship from which Judas
by transgression fail that he may go to his own place.
Yes.
So he went to his own place.
Yes.
That's also a specific region in the underworld.
There's a region called Hades.
Yes.
So Hades is different from Gehena, which is different from the bottom of the state, which
is different from Tartanas.
And Hades, the translation there is the grave.
Oh yeah.
Now it's a gathering of dead people swear that dead go.
Okay.
Then so they is like a gathering of the dead.
Then they are apportioned.
Different.
This is a habitation.
Yeah.
A habitation.
Yeah.
And yeah, scripture says death and Hades were thrown to the lake of fire.
So death itself is not just an event.
We talked about this sometime, but it's a living being.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hades, the grave itself that area is alive.
Okay.
You'll find, when you go to the other world, you'll find that there's no such thing as
an unliving thing that places have a life of their own.
Yes.
Okay.
I don't have time to show you.
Hell actually has a ship.
I will say the ship of a man.
Okay.
The form of a man.
Yes.
Because the Bible talks about the belly of hell.
It talks about the heart.
Okay.
We don't have time to go with this, but it's a ship.
Okay.
Interesting.
Okay.
And in it there gets an entries and areas of domination.
In a quickly, quickly.
Because I see time is running out on us.
And I want to touch this as fast as you can.
So, because there's an angel with a key.
Yes.
Jesus had all the keys to death and hell.
And hell.
There's an angel in charge of the bottom lip fit.
The devil is not in charge of hell.
Whatsoever.
It's never been.
Okay.
Even the beings, when someone dies, where they go, has nothing to do with the devil.
Okay.
There are governing spirits that decrease these things.
Then what happens in there is based on how you live here and out.
Now, their levels of damn nature, their degrees of punishment in hell.
Matthew 23 verse 14.
Let's read it as a Matthew 23 verse 14.
Matthew 23 and verse 14.
He says, well unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites.
For you devour with those houses and for a pretense, make long prayers.
Therefore, you shall receive that greater damn nature.
So, if there's a greater damn nation, there's a damn nation.
So, Jesus himself is saying that their levels are being dumbed.
And imagine we haven't gone into the other levels that have to do with people that have like
Hitler level management, only balloon people that sold their souls to the devil.
He's just talking about you did not take care of the widows and what.
He was a greater damn nation.
Now, imagine the ones beyond that.
Scripture, I'd say, is he that new to do good?
But did not do it.
He will suffer more strokes than he that didn't.
Actually, in the book of Romans, it says, anything that is done without faith is seen.
Why would we do without grace?
Okay, quickly.
Yes.
Okay.
When a believer dies, they go to rest.
Whether you say what, and none believe when they die, they do not go to rest.
This stuff of rest in peace.
They do not go.
Cause rest is not an event.
It's a puzzle.
The Bible says, and it says, anti into my rest.
That means the other one is entering you to what?
Nonrest, you know, constantly before you turn it.
Yo.
The Bible says, they are now remains a rest.
Actually, look for the Scripture for me.
I believe that's Hebrews chapter 4.
Okay, Hebrews chapter 4 verse 9.
It says, they are remaining for a rest to the people of God.
Yes.
You see, he that is entered into his rest.
He also has seized from his own works.
Yes.
That's a good deed from his.
So that means I want you to understand what's going to happen when you transition to the other world.
Everything that you're doing here is a pilgrim, it's a journey.
And everything you're doing is called works.
Okay?
Yes.
Now, all these works, there is a paging that will happen to the believer,
and a paging that will happen to the non-believer.
The paging of the non-believer will be for sin.
Okay.
The paging of the believer will be for his works.
So every works shall be tested with fire.
Yes.
Okay?
All the works that you've done here.
Then you rest from the works.
You rest it.
All your works are done.
It's like how good did everything.
And you rest it.
So you rest in your works that have.
Okay.
That's what you've done here on earth.
Okay.
That's interesting because it shows another revelation of the fact that your works are also
really putting together the habitation that you're going to rest in for the entire years.
Yes.
So you rest in your works.
Okay.
So there will be burnt up.
There's some.
It's it's now.
This is where the should I say this.
This is where the element of the realm of pagatory comes from.
Okay.
That it's not a pagatory for sin.
Okay.
Because Jesus has sorted out an element of sin.
Pagatory means to page fire.
Okay.
To page with fire.
And there will be a paging.
That's where everyone now has left this earth.
Until that day of judgment when works shall be tested.
They in a state of pagatory.
I don't know if you're getting what I'm saying.
Those works then would be tested.
Then you enter.
You walk.
And if there's nothing left of your works.
You have secret.
And there.
Oh my God.
I don't know if I'll say this.
There are believers.
Who will not be.
There'll be levels of rest.
Based on the work.
Yeah.
That they're in.
You know.
People think you see the way this world is.
Yes.
There are states of heaven and hell.
From a physical perspective.
You first experience heaven and hell from here.
Before you go to the.
Now there are people who are experiencing from a physical.
I heaven.
They are rich.
They lack nothing.
Yes.
It's a heaven of this kind of earth.
Yes.
Then there are people who are experiencing a hell from that physical perspective.
They are poor.
They are locked from that level.
Now then you go higher.
There are spiritual states of heaven and hell even here on earth.
But that someone can be drowned in the presence of God and be surrounded by angels constantly.
Oh, yes.
They are experiencing a heaven.
Even while they're still on earth.
Oh, yeah.
But someone knows demons or is attacking them in the night.
Yes.
They are experiencing a hell from a spiritual perspective.
Yes.
Now all of us experience states of heaven or earth or hell here on earth.
And then when you go to that side, depending on whether you're in Christ or not,
now you experience the entirety of it.
Yes.
But there are levels and states.
So just like here, there are some people who work for others.
Oh, yeah.
I just don't know how to explain this.
But there are those who have entered into a wealth that is like how someone here is wealthy.
And he has everything he wants.
He hires people.
People do things for him.
But on the other side, it might not be exactly like that.
But there are categories.
There are people whose rest is higher than others.
In terms of how they lived and the works that they did here on earth.
Okay.
The degree of pleasure being enjoyed is different.
Yes, it's different.
People who think we think it's going to be the same.
The Bible refers to him as a just judge.
Okay.
We're going to have to conclude.
Any questions?
Yeah.
So we talked about the regions of hell.
We've talked about the realms.
Therefore, I've said that the devil is not in charge.
That the areas where demons are kept that they fear to go to those particular.
I mean, and the fact that those spirits that spoke to Jesus didn't say don't send us back.
Oh, yeah.
Meaning, that's not there before.
No, they don't, they don't, they don't send us back.
Okay.
So they, but they hadn't been there.
Okay.
There's no bug.
So where they were coming from was a different.
Okay.
You see?
Okay.
And so once you go to that torment place, there's no coming.
Okay.
There's no exit.
Yes.
I get to what I'm saying.
Yes.
I don't know if I should share my questions.
Yeah.
If you are telling me not to be.
Share wideable.
Yeah.
Um, well, until you inhabitance of the earth, another sea.
Yeah.
So a question is as regards to the inhabitants of the sea and these also beings that
are in need of salvation.
Salvation is for men.
Jesus came to forget all of the world that he gave his own sense.
That sure ever should believe him, not die, but have a very last thing alive.
So as far as we know, um, when Adam fell, Adam brought death to yes, everything on earth in
terms of its state, but to the nature of man because of the lineage.
Okay.
Oh, of man.
Yes.
So those beings under there.
That chaos that the enemy brings to their own.
Okay.
By being here on earth.
Oh, I don't know.
You know what?
The most powerful spirits.
Um, a marine spirit.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That before that devil fell.
Mm-hmm.
The water world was primarily divine.
Wow.
Are you getting rid of saying?
Yeah.
A whole new other world that is demonic exists under there.
We mostly know marine spirits from a demonic perspective.
Yeah.
Okay.
That whole other world existed when the devil fell with these angels.
Mm-hmm.
And some took on the water, some took on the earth, some took on the air.
Okay.
All right.
Mm-hmm.
And that's why I think war unto you inhabitants.
Mm-hmm.
Because another world was opened up under the waters.
Okay.
Now, their marine spirits are so powerful.
They're responsible for a lot of sexual things.
Mm-hmm.
You're not.
Mm-hmm.
They even have a strong link with, uh, with money.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
They're so powerful.
Mm-hmm.
They're responsible for a lot of chaos.
The weaker spirits are found on earth.
Okay.
The ones in the water.
Mm-hmm.
And they're, they're beings that are in charge of various regions.
Mm-hmm.
In, in the water, demonic beings.
One is a lady who likes to, she's six is her major.
Mm-hmm.
Two.
Mm-hmm.
She's a seductress.
Those sometimes, so she's actually a serpent of sorts.
Mm-hmm.
That changes in two.
It takes on a form of a female.
But also can take on a form of a male, depending on who.
Mm-hmm.
So it's not just female oriented.
Okay.
Oh, we're going into places that don't want to speak to you.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
That's, that's close from me.
Okay.
This close on that.
All right.
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