We love you, love our Father, we need to love you Lord.
My heart, it beats for you from precious Jesus,
from deep and love you Lord.
Hi guys, welcome, welcome back to the RDM Radio Show.
This is Derek, here what also known as Derek the Priest,
and I'm here with the Rabbi Daniel Melinda.
We've been having very interesting and important discussions
as regards to life after death,
also life before we came into this physical time realm
and how the different realms relate with another purpose, identity,
and the different beings that are occupying these realms.
And we've been continuing on our last session,
we had a discussion regarding to what happens
and the transition from this life that we're in
into the afterlife.
And what is the difference between the unbelievers experience
and the experience of a believer?
You know, what the value systems like how does God who value the death
of a believer versus the death of an unbeliever?
And where do you go?
Where does your body go?
Where does your spirit go?
All these things we went deep into,
and we're just going to continue that conversation here
with the Rabbi Daniel Melinda.
Thank you.
So we're going to continue from the last session
and we touched a number of things.
We touched how we think ghosts take place.
We touched the process like you mentioned,
the process of death generally.
And we did touch the difference between death and sleep
and at some point the death of a believer and death of an unbeliever.
So I went ahead of myself.
But I would like to, in this session,
just highlight a little on what awaits the believer.
Okay?
So we've looked at death generally,
but what awaits the believer?
Now, this is where there's a person who asked about the phases.
They ask the phases.
The versions.
Yeah.
They ask the different versions of self.
Yeah, for self.
Yes.
And this is where I'm going to be answering that question.
So they better take close attention.
Now, every soul has every soul migrates.
Okay?
Now, because I'm focusing on the belief,
I'm going to focus on the soul of the believer.
You go through migration.
And I'm going to be using Jesus as an example.
The chief example.
Okay.
So we had a discussion a time back.
A while back.
And we talked about how
before you came into this world,
you had your formless and unknown form.
Then when you came into this world,
you took on a certain form.
Yes.
Then after you leave this earth,
you take on a different form now.
That's what I'm going to focus on that.
That the soul of a man goes through migrations.
I'll use the example of the Christ
because there are various stages in life.
Okay.
Okay.
Before Jesus came beyond us,
we do not know the nature
or the form he had.
But we know that he had glory with God
and we know that he's the Bible first him as the word.
In the beginning was the word,
the word was God, the word was God.
We do not know if he had a name.
Okay.
Okay.
But from him being the word.
We did not know if he had a name.
Now, this is what I'm going to focus on.
That when Jesus came into this earth,
he did not come to get the name Jesus.
Okay.
This is so important what I'm saying.
He did not come to get the name Jesus.
The name Jesus was a name given to him
for this particular stage in his life.
I'm going to show you that let's read it
in the book of Matthew chapter 1 verse 21.
Matthew chapter 1 verse 21.
It reads and says,
and shall bring forth a son
and thou shall call his name Jesus.
Okay.
Notice one, he doesn't say Jesus Christ.
Two, he doesn't say you shall call his name.
He doesn't say you shall call him.
He says you shall call his name.
Jesus.
So the name has been given
an actually representation.
Yes.
It's not the real name.
Yes.
Just that the name was what has been given in him.
Yes.
You shall call his name Jesus.
Okay.
Not you shall call him Jesus.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
Now, this is so important because there's an identity he had before.
Okay.
That the spirit world knew him as.
But when he's coming on earth,
you shall call his name Jesus.
Not Jesus Christ.
Yes.
Jesus.
And so from the time he was born,
he walked the earth, played, went to school.
If he did everything he did before shouting Jesus,
Jesus Jesus.
It was not causing any change.
Oh, yes.
There was no impact.
There was no power.
Nothing.
Okay.
Until the age of 30.
Now, when he's 30 years old,
he gets baptized.
That's the first time.
The action of the Christ can be put upon it
because Christ means the anointed one.
Okay.
So John the Baptist baptizes him.
Then there's a manifestation of that spirit.
The spirit of God now comes and abides inside of him.
Now, now this is so powerful
because the Bible says he had emptied himself
of everything.
So by the time he was working on the earth,
he was as human and as normal as he could be.
Okay.
And yet without sin.
Why?
Because one, the body that he had,
we've touched this was a different body.
It was a likeness of human flesh.
Okay.
Second, the blood he had was not the blood of Adam
Yes.
Because he did not have a human father.
Yes.
And the blood of Adam flows through the man.
Yes.
It flows through man.
Yes.
That's why the Bible says through one man.
They came to the earth.
It doesn't say through evil.
Okay.
So sin in the blood flows through the man.
And so because he did not have a human father,
his blood was sinless.
He did not have a number body.
His body was sinless.
Yes.
So he could work the face of this earth as a man.
But sinless.
At the age of 30,
the Holy Spirit that divine being rests upon him.
Okay.
He walks the earth now as Jesus, the Christ.
All right.
But the proof of the action upon his life was when he resurrected.
Because death now had been defeated.
Okay.
So let me go through the process.
He had an identity before he came.
Yes.
When he comes on earth, you shall call his name Jesus.
So he's given a name Jesus.
Then at the age of 30,
he becomes Jesus the Christ when his ministry starts
and is anointed.
Yes.
He walks the entire earth as Jesus Christ, the anointed one.
All right.
When he dies,
when he dies,
nothing's happened yet.
Days on the cross.
Okay.
He died for us since glory to God.
But Paul says without the resurrection,
the resurrection did not happen.
I hope he's in vain.
So when he resurrects now,
it is proof of him being the Christ,
the anointed one.
Okay.
And now they call him Lord of all.
Now I'm going to take you through scripture.
Because when he dies,
and then he resurrects,
actually before he resurrects,
he goes down,
descends, takes the keys.
Yes.
That taking the keys gives him logic.
He's now Lord.
Those keys are not taken, not yet.
Yes.
Okay.
So he takes the keys,
then resurrects,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
Now,
if that makes sense,
now Jesus Christ,
it says,
let me give you a number of scriptures.
John chapter 14 verse 13.
Yes, read it.
John 14 verse 13.
Hmm.
It says, and whosoever you shall.
And whatsoever you shall ask in my name,
that will I do,
that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Okay.
So when Jesus dies,
and this is Jesus speaking.
Yes.
This is before he dies.
Yes.
He says,
whatever you ask in my name.
So everything we do
in the name of Jesus.
Jesus Christ.
Not the name of Jesus.
It's the name of Jesus Christ.
Jesus, the anointed one.
And this is before he dies.
This is whatsoever.
I ask in my name.
It shall be done.
Yes.
The various acts chapter 2 verse 38.
Acts chapter 2 verse 8.
38.
Acts chapter 2 verse 38.
It says,
then Peter said unto them,
we paint and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ.
Okay.
You get what I'm saying.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's in the name of Jesus Christ.
Now there's semantics there.
But anyway,
and that's more than just saying the name.
You're in the name.
You're born again.
You've received him as Lord and Savior.
You believe in him.
That's why you can cast out a demon
without necessarily saying in the name of Jesus Christ.
Okay.
Now we have that access to do things
in the name of Jesus.
But now,
because I've tried to show you
the other scriptures that say it.
I've shown you John,
where Jesus is in my name.
Yes.
I've shown you acts where Peter says
in the name of Jesus Christ.
But here's the breaking of protocol.
Philippians 2.9.
Okay.
Philippians 2.9.
Philippians 2.9.
Hmm.
He says,
where for God also has highly exalted
Him and given Him a name,
which is above every name.
Now that name is not Jesus.
Hmm.
Okay.
We're good.
Okay.
Go on.
He says that,
at the name of Jesus.
Okay.
Does he say in?
No.
At.
He says,
at the name of Jesus.
Every initial bow.
Now he's referring to an event.
Okay.
Remember,
he says that you shall call his name.
Jesus.
Jesus.
Okay.
Yes.
In other words,
he had an identified name,
we do not know,
but the angel says,
call that name.
That name.
Jesus.
In the spirit after he has resurrected,
he says,
at the name of the one you know,
Jesus.
Every initial bow.
It's referring to an event
of the naming of the one you know,
Jesus.
Every,
every initial bow.
He says,
at the name,
not in the name of Jesus.
At the name of Jesus.
Every initial bow,
which means there's a point
where he gets a different name.
Okay.
That is not Jesus Christ.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm going to show you.
It's not Jesus Christ.
No.
No.
It is interesting that when John,
the revelator is taken to heaven.
Yes.
The whole book of Revelation.
Yes.
The whole book of Revelation.
There's no point where he John refers
to Jesus as Jesus.
Okay.
Interesting.
He goes back and read.
There's no point
on Revelation 1 to 22 where
a point is referred to as the lump.
He says,
I saw one with weight here.
Never as Jesus.
Wow.
Now,
I'm trying to show you progressions.
Yes.
Because it says,
actually read the script again.
Philippians 2,
9.
Philippians 2,
9 says,
so as highly exalted him.
Yes.
So he has exalted him
and given him a name which is above every name.
So this name that is above every name
is not the name Jesus.
There are many people called Jesus.
Now this is Jesus who plays for one city.
It's not the name they're talking about.
Yes, yes.
Because he's talking about an event
that at the name of this person could Jesus.
Okay.
Now,
then the scripture says revelations 2.17.
Actually, no.
Revelation chapter 19 verse 12.
Revelation chapter 19 verse 12 says,
he's eyes
where as a flame of fire
and on his head
who are many crowns
and he had a name written
that no man knew,
but he himself.
Okay.
That's the name we're talking about.
That's the name we're talking about.
The name that the Christ
as which no one knows
is at that name
that at the end of all things,
every knee.
Okay.
I get to what I'm saying.
Yes.
And so when Jesus came,
he came to gain a name.
But that name was not Jesus Christ.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He came to gain a name.
Yes.
He came to gain a name.
Okay.
Yes.
And it says,
yes,
exalted,
read Philippians 2.9.
You know,
I have a lot of things in my mind.
Philippians 2.9.
Philippians 2.9.
He says,
where for God has highly exalted him
and given him a name which is above every name,
which means that before that he did not have a name above every name.
And that name still is integers.
It's not Jesus Christ.
He didn't take the same Jesus and put it above.
Yes.
He gave them a new name,
which name we see in revelations that no one knows except himself.
Now I'm going to show you.
Okay.
Okay.
This,
that name is a mystery.
It's a secret.
It's a reason why in revelations,
John is having encounters of high things of end time things.
When all things are going to be made new
and no one up there is calling him Christ.
Jesus.
Please understand it's a Christ.
But it's not Jesus.
Okay.
Wow.
So Jesus is the name given to the body-leave version of him.
Yes.
Now, but also that name,
in the name of Jesus,
has the authority within the realm
of men and anything tied to the spirit world of the realm of men.
Okay.
Yeah.
When you leave this earth,
there's a coronation day coming
where he will be given a name.
Actually, he's been given that name above all names,
but we don't know what it is.
We don't know what it is.
Now, let me show you the progressions.
That in the same way,
before you came,
you had an identity.
When you came,
you're given a name by your parents.
Now, there's some people God interjects
and decides the name.
You shall call his name, John.
Yes.
Now, some people are lucky that by the spirit,
they get to know the name of the spirit world once,
them to be named.
But it does not mean that when you leave this earth,
you will be the priest, Derek.
You see the way of the imagine heaven?
Yes.
He says, oh, Michael,
you use the athlete name.
That's the way people have imagined it.
No.
Wow.
You see, that's the way you imagined it.
But that's not what it is.
Let me read for you another scripture.
Revelations 217.
Revelations 217.
He says, he that has an ear.
Let him hear what the spirit says
and to the churches.
To him that overcomes will I give to it
of the hidden manner
and will give him a white stone
and in the stone a new name written
which no man knows,
serving he that has received it.
So Jesus has a name that no one knows except him.
Yes.
But also to him that overcomes
a white stone is given.
Yes.
And name which no one knows except them.
Yes.
Interesting.
Wow.
So you think you're going to be called Derek.
This is because that's talking about a particular category
of people who are called he that overcomes
and who talk about that at some point
because their levels of progression in the spirit world
and at every level of progression
a name is given.
Okay.
Or added.
That's why read for me.
Revelation's three twelve.
Revelation's three verse twelve.
He says him that overcomes
will I make a pillar in the temple of Mike?
So you do it to him that overcomes.
So this is.
Remember the first one.
He will give a white stone with a name written in there.
Yeah.
But now this is a different level.
Go ahead.
Yes.
Hear that overcomes.
Or him that overcomes will I make a pillar
in the temple.
He will make a pillar in the temple.
He's talking about a spiritual temple.
In the temple of my God and he shall go no more out
and I will write upon him the name of my God.
So the name of God.
Uh huh.
And the name of the city of my God.
Uh huh.
Which is new Jerusalem.
Uh huh.
Which come with down out of heaven from my God.
And I will write upon him my new name.
Ah.
This is a different level.
From just having a name white stone which no one knows.
This person has the name of God.
He's a pillar in the temple.
He has the name the name of Jesus which no one knows.
Yes.
So I'm trying to show you their progressions.
And this is not to everyone.
Yeah.
It's not to everyone.
So please understand that they're people.
Yes.
Who enter and be Derek.
Okay.
But as you progress a different name is added to you.
Not title.
Yes.
Name.
So we see that the name is everyone.
Yes.
So it's not getting a name simply because you transition.
Exactly.
And yes.
Yeah.
So let's just go through it again.
Before you came you had some identity.
We don't know what it is.
When you come you are touched Derek.
As I'm touched Daniel.
That name has the capacity that you touch here on earth.
To either hinder or help progress your assignment.
Because it can hinder it.
Yes.
Remember Jabbis?
Yes.
So if you're named wrongly, it becomes a hindrance.
Now Jesus' name had to be severe.
The name is Savior.
Yes.
It had to be in line with his assignment.
Yeah.
Even the man you were.
Yes.
Okay.
So says you shall call his name.
Jesus.
I find it interesting.
He never says Jesus Christ.
Because he's referring to the bodily.
Yes.
Thing.
The being.
The being.
Then when that being gets anointed, he becomes Jesus Christ.
That's the one that died and resurrected.
Actually, the one who dies is Jesus.
Yes.
The one resurrects is Jesus Christ.
Christ.
It's like how the stages we have in life.
Even in life, you have stages of your naming.
Yes.
There's a stage in my life where I become rabbi.
Yes.
Before that, I was Daniel.
At the point that when I was younger, this is going to be Danny.
Yes.
Now, each name has a different experience.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
Rabbi has never been broken.
Sure.
But Daniel has.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
In the same way, Jesus died.
But Jesus Christ has only experienced resurrection.
Yes.
Yes.
Whoa.
That's why.
Now, the reason why I'm saying all this is first the salonians 4.14.
Let's go there.
Okay.
First the salonians.
This one's going to be a short session.
Okay.
First the salonians chapter four.
Last 14 says for if we believe that Jesus died and rose again.
Even so, even so them also which slip in Jesus will God bring with him.
Okay.
Slip in what?
In Jesus.
In Jesus Christ.
No.
They slip in Jesus.
Yes.
The man who died.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Read on.
Verse 15 says for this we say unto you by the word of the Lord that we which are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Mm hmm.
Verse 16.
For the Lord himself shall descend from the heaven with a shout with the voice of the
Ak-engo.
Ak-engo.
And with the trump of God.
And the dead in Christ shall rise first.
That dead in Christ not that dead in Jesus.
Mm hmm.
Now I need you to understand that Paul is using words.
It's a specific eye.
Yeah.
He says they who slip in Jesus then this is and that dead in Christ shall rise.
Okay.
That this is a different scenario and this way it confuses a church because some people say
but when someone dies the Bible says that people still asleep.
Yes.
That they haven't resurrected.
Yes.
Because these who slip in Jesus.
Mm hmm.
He doesn't say who's sleeping the grave.
You'll never of us.
He says who slip in Jesus.
In other words he's referring to the point where the human Jesus, the Jesus, the man died.
They slept with him in the process of death.
They've slept with Jesus.
Okay.
When he says that in Adam we all died so in Jesus we all died this is a self.
It's a similar thing.
Okay.
So the man Jesus is the one who died.
So we died with him at the process.
Yes.
You have slept with Jesus.
Okay.
But it's the Christ.
It is the reserve.
Yeah.
And he says that dead in Christ.
Shall rise first.
In Christ not in Jesus in the anointed dawn the one that was lifted up, the one who resurrected
as you resurrect the resurrect because of the Christ not of because of the Jesus.
I don't know if I'm trying to make sense that there are different versions of the Christ
and in the same way there are different versions of us.
That just as Jesus went through progressions.
And who has progressions even in this spirit world.
Yes.
That we will have levels and this is who I'm trying to prove to you.
That you don't just die.
And oh, God, that's a rule.
That as I showed you the last session that you go through stages of gets.
Yes.
That you will go through stages of names.
Yes.
At each stage you will progress.
Yes.
That will determine your assignments in the ages to come.
There's some things I don't want to say.
But any questions.
This particular scripture here.
I feel like it has levels to it.
It's like corded all over.
Because there is dying in Jesus.
Then there is those who are dead in Christ.
Christ.
And there is raising fast meaning there is others who raise.
But then those who raise fast.
Those are in Christ.
That's a different thing altogether.
It says that you raise.
Does it say raise?
It says raise.
It says raise fast.
The dead in Christ shall raise fast.
You will have to have a discussion on that in and of itself.
So in terms of the phases, there are different versions of you.
And those versions of you will continue even after the grave.
Those versions of you have experienced different things and are capable of different things.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
I don't know what they call you at home.
The people who are still stuck on a certain version.
But there is a difference between Derek and the priest.
And trust you me, when you progress a few years from now,
that name will look like it.
It doesn't feel...
the glory that God has bestowed upon you.
That's why some people begin to change names.
When a person becomes a president,
if their former president is still referred to them as Mr. President,
it is forever attached to their name.
So you're dealing with a different version.
And I'm tired with Christians who want to always deal with the old version.
I've had so many names in the past.
So I know which stage someone is stuck at by what they call me.
Yeah.
That's true.
Okay.
So understanding this is that when you leave this path,
you will go through stages and you'll be given names.
And every stage you progress,
you'll be landing.
You'll be getting to know more about God.
Yes.
Okay.
There are dimensions in God that no being knows except God Himself.
And so those realms that only those who are in Christ will have access to,
they won't be for everyone.
It's very powerful.
Like into touching them as a subject.
All of it.
But it's actually a progression.
And we haven't even gone into crowns.
We haven't gone into all those things.
But none of them is as powerful as the name.
Because Jesus did not die to gain a crown.
His reward was the name.
The name.
A name above all the names.
Now in the spirit world, demons have names.
For in angels have names.
They are royal beings, divine and dark,
whose names are echoed throughout the corridors of the spirit world.
Some with more authority than the other.
And so Jesus here is given a name above all names.
I would love to know.
I would just love to know.
Before that, who had a higher name?
I would love to know.
Before he came and died and resurrected.
I would love to know.
There are a lot of things that are mysteries in there.
That's interesting.
Because we see the name is not just a name.
It's not a title.
It's a consciousness of a certain being.
Yes.
That's why even Jesus, they say that many shall come calling themselves the Christ.
But then there is that one whereby if you mention the name with that very consciousness.
That's true.
That's simple.
The same way your friends can go.
I've had also many names in life, depending on what I'm doing.
When I was a dancer, I called Ashdi.
Ashdi.
Yeah.
Very different nicknames.
And so you find that some people right now, if they meet me in town,
or whatever, they were referred to me with that name.
Or even if they call, or if they call,
okay, there was a time, kids of these days were not related,
but there was a time where I was reading the headphones.
And your phone was your parents for it.
So if they call you through your parents' contact,
they will request for someone.
And that someone is not Derek.
That's it.
They were like, I haven't talked to Ashdi.
Yeah.
Who is Ashdi?
That's true.
So you see that so that the version, those people knew you as in,
is different from that, that your parents knew.
Sure.
And you see they're men on this earth who, by the grace of God,
they're taken to the heaven is a Christ who revealed to them
that he didn't name of his,
and tell them, tell no more, because it's a secret.
And so they'll keep it there.
People who have had that privilege
to be told that name before other people have it.
That's the biggest.
One of the biggest privileges a man can have.
And that name like, I repeat, is not Jesus Christ.
You see the way we name things here is very...
And you go.
I know there are many people that the name Jesus Christ,
the power of that name, is there.
In that name, we do things.
But the Bible says, act the name of Jesus.
At the name of Jesus, every new obey.
And there is a day coming when you'll be given,
when that name will be revealed.
It's secret.
Hey.
Okay.
So, you see, when I hear people having experiences
and they go to heaven,
and someone says,
people are like,
you're looking for Jesus.
Now, let me say something here,
that there live was a revelation in the room of the Spirit.
And because there live was a revelation based on where a person
has had an encounter.
You can't tell by the things that they've said.
Oh, yes.
When a man has met a Christ in his glory,
they say, and there he was, a lot of glory.
The fellow man is rarely.
Yes, I saw Jesus.
Because at that point, it's more than Jesus.
Jesus is an utterly named,
given for an ugly assignment,
which assignment was done.
Now, a new name has been given.
So, depending on the narration of people's encounters,
you can tell which level, you know,
out of that personality.
That's why sometimes
he will appear to people differently.
There are people I know who,
even unbelievers,
they say,
and I saw a man in white work up to me.
Someone say,
that was Jesus.
And he said,
I don't know if that was Jesus.
I just felt the authority,
the what,
they've seen that dimension,
that is not what you're calling Jesus.
I don't know.
I pray people understand the way that,
yes, it's Jesus.
But it's not.
It's not the same.
Yes.
Your head.
It's like when I come as a man of God
in my ministry or anointing.
And there are people who have called the ministry
and refer to me,
and called my admin looking for previous version of me.
And she was like, who's that?
Is it?
And it's a similar thing where,
that's why Paul says,
we no longer regard him according to inflation.
That's just the name.
Yes.
Yes.
That's true.
I wanted to bring up that scripture.
You, you, you,
self-esteem.
So we see that I'm working on the road
and they do decide.
Uh-huh.
And they can't see.
This is not your Jesus.
This is a different version.
Actually, let's go to Acts 2,
2.36.
Acts chapter 2.
Verse 36.
Acts 2.
Chapter 2.
Acts 2.36.
Which chapter is it?
Acts chapter 2.
Verse 36.
It says, therefore, let all the house of Israel know assuredly
that God has met the same Jesus.
When we have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
So, yes.
He has made the same Jesus.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Now Lord and Christ.
Okay.
Wow.
So, the progressions of, of, of the Jesus,
you will go through similar progressions as a believer.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
You, it is possible that when you sent on earth,
you've left glory and you come on earth
that without revelation by the Spirit,
a person who you knew might not recognize.
What?
Without revelation.
I say, who are you?
I am Derek.
Who is that?
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Oh.
It's very interesting.
Huh?
We see that level of,
generally that the understanding of perception of heaven
is, of course, glorious and all that.
But we see that,
earth in itself has a dimension of glory
because it's only through the strength,
the transition through this life,
that certain things can happen.
You know?
And so,
even though,
yes, someone was,
whatever the word,
they were formless,
while they were still there.
Hmm.
It's only through the transition in this life,
the tournament is given the certain form
and even the form is very,
depending on how you have worked,
the things you've come to the knowledge of.
And remember the other time when we were talking
and I said,
I said,
that if a person does not work a particular way,
here on earth,
it's as if they never came.
Yes.
Because you pass through this to get certain names.
So, you stay at a stage,
but even then,
the progression is different for those kind of souls.
This is cool.
It reminds me of those students
who are just repeating classes away.
Mine is all the game,
but it has been in that class.
No, but you see,
you read the Bible,
but we don't read it carefully.
Because there's Jesus.
There are terms in Scripture and Philippians
when it refers to Jesus Christ.
Then there are times,
it says Christ Jesus,
which is different from Jesus Christ.
Which is different from Jesus Christ.
Because Christ Jesus is emphasizing a certain dimension of Him.
Okay?
In terms of the anointing.
Okay?
And Jesus Christ is...
The mankind who was anointed.
Yeah.
You're getting what I'm saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
And I pray people in the same progression
as we're talking about this.
Because it's not the same thing.
Yeah.
Okay?
So in the heaven,
these,
we will go through progressions.
You will go through,
and I've just touched a few.
Go through those gates
that we talked about the last session.
Now in hell,
what happens is that
everything is lost.
Even them.
That's why the rich man is referred to as the rich man.
That's how they name.
The guy is just the rich man.
This is also through some experience of,
you know,
whatever you've done being tested,
whatever you've built with,
whatever material you've built with being tested by fire.
It would stumble, hey.
It's tested.
And you see,
the fact that Lazarus is named Lazarus
shows us the level he's at in the room of the Spirit.
You should have a new name.
But it's still Lazarus.
And even you talk about,
because I believe that when Jesus is talking about that example,
when he gives that power,
he says, your father Abraham.
There's no way he's going to bring out
a mission,
a name that people don't know.
For the sake of us,
relating and understanding.
But their progressions.
The next session we'll talk about.
I'll show you how.
I really try to prove to you that not everyone
just goes to what you call
what people think is heaven is just standing before the throne.
Their visions of the throne
at every level in the heaven is.
Then there's the highest heaven
where Christ is seated
at the right hand of the Father,
which is a different thing,
but their visions of the throne.
So everyone at every level
that they are at will see that throne room.
Okay?
But the higher you go,
the greater the intensity and the closer you get to it.
Okay.
In terms of,
but you can still feel Christ.
You can still, you know,
God loves us and so on and so forth.
But the intensity,
the assignments and the levels increase.
We're only in Uganda,
but there's certain places in Uganda you can't access.
You can't access.
And you see the thing is,
I was telling someone that
in ages past,
those ages that existed before us.
I believe,
and this is not scripture,
but it's just my personal perspective,
that the beings that are angels,
now,
once lived in particular ages,
past,
and graduated and gained rewards
and have names.
And in ages to come,
we, because angel means messenger.
Yes.
We will also progress to those levels of assignment.
Okay.
To another generation,
we don't know what.
Wow.
That's interesting.
Because they're ages.
Yeah.
Wow.
So any other question before,
this one was short because
it was very controversial.
Maybe,
I feel like we've also mentioned names.
Yes.
Because that's the biggest focus of
your transition into the next world.
Okay.
Yeah.
If you read through the book of,
of Luke,
we're not going to read through it,
but that parabhu of Lazarus and the rich man.
Yes.
Yes.
Lazarus is carried away by angels
to Abraham's bosom,
of which the people say Abraham's bosom
doesn't exist anymore.
First of all,
I'd like to point out one of two factors.
One is that the fact that this Abraham's bosom
implies that it doesn't mean
that it's only bosom.
Hmm.
Not the only one with the bosom.
No, we'd like to.
And Bible says Abraham's bosom.
Yes, it says Abraham's.
Just like the Bible says that heaven,
but it doesn't mean then no other levels.
Levels of heaven.
Yeah.
Now this is the highest heavens.
That's what the scripture refers to.
This is above all heavens.
It can't say all if they're just three.
Okay.
So just because it's the parabhu says Abraham's bosom.
Does not mean the one.
The one or other bosoms.
Hmm.
That's one.
Number two is that it does not also mean
that when Jesus died and resurrected,
that Abraham's bosom is empty.
Hmm.
You know, in what is it?
Matthew 27,
well, this guy's resurrect?
Yes.
Can you read that?
Verse 52,
when the grapes opened,
Matthew chapter 27,
verse 52.
You'll have a rough answer.
We're about to wind up here.
Okay.
Well, this is Jesus.
Jesus dies at the cross,
and then these events take one right after.
Verse 52 says,
and the grapes were opened
and many bodies of the saints
which slept a rose
and came out of the graves
after his resurrection
and went into the holy city
and appeared at too many.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now,
these guys,
the Bible is not specific.
Hmm.
Who they were,
but it says the saints who slept.
So you'd presume
there's a Jeremiah,
there's a...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Joseph's bones were in Israel.
Actually,
when I went to Israel,
there's a place,
there's a grave
of thousands of people
that faced Jerusalem.
Who all,
it was a piece of land.
They've been buried there for
almost a thousand years.
Their graves facing Jerusalem.
They want to be the first resurrect when Christ comes
in Jerusalem.
Because the Bible talks about
how the Eastern Gate shall be flung open
and he will write through it.
And they all fought to be buried.
And that's in front of it
so that they'll be the first receiving.
Oh.
Now that is faith, even in death.
Yeah.
A thousand years old.
Yeah.
I want to see them powerful.
No.
Here.
It says Jesus.
So some people walk the streets.
I don't even know how you can feel to be a believer
after an experience like that.
People that had died.
And you see them.
Yeah.
I wish there was an elaboration.
But the Bible says we're surrounded by a cloud.
A good cloud of witnesses.
Yes.
Now in Acts,
the scripture says that
Jesus is being levitated.
And the disciples stand looking up
and two angels appear.
And one of them says,
why do you look up?
Mm-hmm.
And the same way in which he has gone.
Mm-hmm.
So come back.
You come back.
Now, when he was gone,
the Bible says an a cloud received him.
Mm-hmm.
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