And even love you, not by father.
And even love you, Lord, my heart and it beats for you.
And precious Jesus, and even love you.
Hello, guys, welcome, welcome, welcome back.
Welcome to the RDM Radio Show.
And this is Derek Mohiro that you're listening to, also known as Derek the Priest.
And I'm here with George, Dr. George Sekamaje, who is also a prophet of God.
And of course, we know that we're here with our great, great, great Daniel Malinga.
And we're going to go deep once again discussing spiritual things and mysteries.
Last time we were here, we did a preamble and we had the question just to prompt us.
Someone was talking about how they had lost a loved one, a dear one.
And they couldn't really detach from the meditations and ponderings of what happens when someone
dies, that transition process, what is it like.
So we just came to a conclusion of, we can't really discuss that before starting from
the beginning.
You know, talk also about what happens when men are transitioning into this realm, this
realm of the earth, this realm of the physical.
And without further ado, let's give it up for Mr. Daniel Malinga.
All right.
Thank you, Derek.
So we're going to continue on from the preamble that we had.
And we're going to ask you to open a vision, chapter one and verse four.
Let's start from there, because if we're going to talk about life before bath, which
I feel is necessary before we're going to life after death, no better place to start
than in Christ Jesus, all right.
So this is a vision, chapter one, verse four, it says, according as he has chosen us in
him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before
him in love.
Should I go on read that again?
Yes, read according, Ephesians chapter one, verse four, according as he has chosen us in
him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before
him in love.
All right.
Now, let's skip Chatele's acid there that we were chosen in Christ before the foundation
of the world.
Now, the version says the foundation of the earth.
Yeah.
They are in the Bible, what I refer to as, I refer to them as eternity statements, their statements
that give us a glimpse of what happened before Adam.
This scripture that we just read is one of them, talks about us being chosen before the
foundation of the earth in Christ Jesus, another scripture, you're not going to read it,
it's in Revelation that in 80, that says the Lamb of God was slain before the foundation
of the earth.
Second Timothy chapter one, verse nine, if you could just read that one, second Timothy
chapter one, verse nine, chapter one and verse nine, that is a scripture.
Yes.
This church says, who has, who have saved us and called us unholy calling, not according
to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given as Christ Jesus
before the world.
Yeah.
So there are a number of statements all of our scripture that imply that everything
that we were, everything that we were given, cannot be separate from the Christ.
We were in Christ Jesus before the foundations of the earth.
Now, I'd like to emphasize that the earth or the world has stages, okay.
There is the stage before Adam was created.
So the earth that we see created in Genesis from chapter three onwards is, it's a remake.
Okay.
So there was an initial earth before that, whether Bible says any beginning God created
the heavens and the earth, then verse two says it was desolate and formless.
So there was an earth before that, then something happened that caused darkness to fall
upon that earth and that's one stage of the earth.
Then there was the creation or recreation of the earth in which Adam was set.
That's a different phase.
Then after Adam fail, the earth took on a fat different phase, which phase we are in now.
Then finally, there will be a new heaven and a new earth.
So the earth in essence has four phases as far as we know, the four that have mentioned,
okay.
Before Adam, when Adam was created after the four and then you have a new earth, I'd like
to emphasize that when the new heaven and new earth are created, I want you to have
a glimpse in your mind to understand that it won't look like how it looks now.
The earth will not look like how it is.
The heavens will not look like how they look now, okay.
And when it says heavens, it's including the second heaven, okay.
So the stars, the sun and the moon will be made brand new.
The way that we see them now is not how they will be, then, because what we're looking
at now in the second heavens, stars, the moon, they are falling, the way they appear
is dead, okay.
Even the sun.
So redemption cuts across, it's not just for humans, which even makes more sense because
we see the sun will burn out light or whatever and if you look at the light of God,
it's always consistently increasing, which is a pattern, supposed to be the area pattern
of the sun, I would say the Lord is the sun, something like that.
So, and also in Revelation, it says that there will be no need for the sun, for the light
will be coming from God Himself, okay.
So a lot of things that we think we understand in this phase, in this age that we're living
in, we actually are looking at a fallen state and so there will be a new phase that comes
in.
Now, it's important to understand that Scripture says that these three day witness in heaven,
the Father, it doesn't say the sun, it doesn't say Jesus, it says the Father, the
Word, and the Spirit.
That means before the Christ came on to this earth, before He died, before He took on a
bodily form, He was known as the Word, okay.
And throughout the Old Testament, the Word was a mystery, a secret that unless someone
got a revelation of Him, many did not know He existed.
That's why you read through Scripture in the book of Proverbs.
It says, who is He and who is His Son?
You know that Scripture?
Yes, yes.
I think it's Proverbs chapter 30, you look for it from, not chapter 30, but He talks
about, it's actually one of the only Old Testament scriptures that is talking about the
existence of the sun.
It's interesting, okay.
I could have just had it in the past thing, so it is actually Solomon who gets that revelation.
When you get it, you let me know.
Now, in Job, you're going to read for me, Job chapter, chapter 38, it's that from
verse 1, Job chapter 30, it's from verse 1, okay.
Job that age from verse 1, when they load answer, Job out of the way we end and say, who
is this, that duckins cancel, by words without knowledge?
God, up now, thy loins like a man, for I will demand of thee and answer, thou me.
Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth, declare, if thou hast understanding?
Okay, so God here is asking Job, where are you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Now, if you just read on, read on there's a point I want to make.
Okay, verse 5 says, who has laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest, or what has, who
has stretched the line upon it?
No, this is important.
Job, God is talking to Job and Job knows it's God talking to him.
And God asks him a question, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Just, give us the call.
This is perhaps that he was born.
He says, who has gathered the wind in his fists, who has bound the waters in his gamut,
who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name and what is his son's name, if you can't help?
Okay, so that's an old testament revelation of Christ and a back to Job.
God is asking Job, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
And I told you the other has four phases, three of them have happened.
And the third one.
And so when God is asking you, where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Which phase is he referring to?
Interesting.
But you know when you say that to, I wonder, why didn't he ask, where are you there?
I'm getting to that.
Interesting.
That's where were you.
So what that shows us, that we have in us and the question though.
Which phase are we in the third phase?
No, which phase is he talking about?
I believe he's talking about before the very initial phase.
Because we have agreed that when you look at Genesis, verse 1 and verse 2, we are having
like a reconstruction, because the same word that God uses to tell Adam, repel an issue,
is the same word he uses to tell Noah after the flood, which makes us understand it was
like a remake of the earth.
You understand.
But when he's talking about the foundation, because when you look at some scriptures in
Genesis, chapter 1, he says, let the earth bring forth.
So we see it was ready there.
So I believe when he's talking about where were you in, I laid the foundations of the earth.
He's talking about, before even the earth.
He's talking about the first phase.
A very first phase.
So, not scripture is talking about the first phase.
Yes, definitely.
So God is not talking about that from the time of Adam.
Yes, yes, yes.
He's talking about even before the, even before the pre-ademic, when the earth was not in
existence.
Yes.
So he's asking him where he was interesting.
And I find it more interesting that after that, he asks, who laid well.
So he's asking, because if he answers God, there will be no need for him to ask, who,
I mean, it'd be easy for Job to say, you did.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Read it.
Read it.
That's a lot of insights.
That's a lot of insight.
That's a lot of insight.
So, the question could be, was he expecting Job to know?
Read.
Job after Job.
Now, I was getting another scripture to add to this conversation.
Go ahead.
I'd read.
Okay, this is Proverbs 8, that, and this is wisdom speaking.
It's, let me start from, let me start from verse 28, no, verse 27 says, when he prepared
the heavens, I was there.
And he, when he set a compass upon the face of the depth, when he established the clouds
above, when he strengthened the foundations of that deep, when he gave to the sea, he's
decreed, that the waters should not pass his commandment, when he appointed the foundations
of the earth.
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always
before him.
Interesting, I mean, my heart is boiling revelation right now, he asks him, Job that it
was five that, who has laid the measure, they are of, I don't know, I would ask a question
it, Rabbi, as you go on, okay, let me just say it, I think it.
If I look at a bit of the synonymity, like I said initially, he didn't ask, when the first
question he didn't ask, he didn't ask, where are you there?
He says, where, where are you, understanding?
So he's trying to bring a possibility that, are you aware of where are you are?
Actually, that's the way I look at that entire chapter.
And that's that God is not questioning Job, John Tim, yes, yes, questioning Job, because
he should know.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that's good to know, yes, because if you read on, he says, he says,
now me, surely you should know, or surely you know, yes, yes, yes, yes, so he's not
daunting him, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, if you look at the literal language
you understand, it looks like he's trying to get him to a place to, because I, and then
he goes on to say, who has laid the arrow, so the question could be, okay, we can put
a submission that from the regard is speaking, Job existed, and from the secret, now you're
getting it, from the scriptures that, that we come, we come from it, okay, let's go
systematically, but what is listening, okay, so we get the understanding then that, that God
as same way, why you and I laid the foundation, the earth, and from scripture, the semblance
we get is that those are pre-existence of Job, right, there's a pre-existence of Job.
I want to focus on another scripture, because I want to show you the pre-existence
of man in Christ Jesus, yes, yes, and then we'll see how far we go, Psalms 139, I'm just
going to read it for the sake of time, okay, Psalms 139 from verse 14, it says, I will
praise thee for him, fearfully and wonderfully made, marvelous, as they walk, and that
my soul, nor with right will, this is my substance was not hit from thee, when I was
made in secret, now that's very important, because this made here is referring to, there's
a difference between calling something that is not, and then making, okay, okay, so another
one for making is formed, okay, before man came into this earth, let me just read the
scripture again, it says, my substance was not hit from thee, when I was made in secret
and curiously, you rot in the lowest parts of the earth, it says by 16, the eyes did see
my substance, yet being unperfect, so he's saying his eyes saw his substance, yet when he was
unperfect, yet being unperfect meaning, another version says, you saw me when I had no form, to answer
the question, before man came onto this earth, he was formless, because form has to do with
physical, physical, are you with me? Yes, because Genesis chapter two talks about man being formed,
and we are seeing how, yes, they break down of the physical makeup of that person, so man was
formless, just like God is formless, yes, yes, yes, yes, you know, people don't understand that, that
the scripture says he is the invisible God, okay, and so when you see God seated on a throne,
the heaven is, it's a form he has decided to take on, so that men can relate, angels can relate
and relate, but God is formless. So that is, it's the revelation that Moses had that he has no
similitude, man, you can't, you can't box him in, so when you see the father seated on a throne,
it's just the form. So basically, where by what you're saying is that in this description of him
talking of his substance being imperfect, his members being beaten in this book, he's talking
about his body, the physical, like a design, a product design in its design state, not yet materialized,
yes, okay, but however the unformed man existed, yes, in Christ Jesus, yes, yes, yes, okay,
now, if a man can think something, and it is, as a man thinketh in his heart, so it is,
so it is, so it is, what makes you think that God can think of you? And you know, they're not,
it's a reality that I think even Jesus awakens when he's talking about adultery,
even though he used it in that analogy, but he makes you realize that if you look at a woman
with lust and lust and lust involves thoughts, emotions, you're in touch with that entity,
but from within, whether it's not visualized from outside in the realm of the spirit,
it's actually a reality, yeah, so, so you can't have existed as an idea, yes, yes, yes, you see,
the moment God thought you, yes, yes, yes, you came into existence, and because God by his divine nature
does not create non-living things, yes, yes, yes, you are conscious, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
okay, and you see the reason why I brought up the issue of thought is because when we read Jeremiah
1-5 says, before you were formed in your mother's bed, I knew you, the word knew there is an
intimate knowing, and because he's an intimate knowing we know where God is referring to a person
that actually existed, because of the next things he says, it says I sanctified you and that's
it's an action. That's an action. That is the thing that does not exist. Yes you can't
sound it's the exact fact. They are they are they are they are their rituals that you
can't do on it. Yes but which also makes me appreciate the concept that later comes on
a concept of faith, because the Bible says that by faith we understand that the things that
are unknown. Okay by faith we understand that the world was created out of things that are
I have not seen it, visible, that we may know that the things that are not.
It says the things they are not, but they have already been given a form.
You get my point.
So it's a reality.
I believe in the realm of this spirit.
You understand?
Because you don't have to say the thoughts or the things you are believing for,
that says the things that are not.
So if it says they are already things, if they are not,
then there is a reality in the realm of this spirit.
This is why it's important.
Let me just echo this.
Man, at the beginning,
we're not going to say at what point that beginning was,
but we know that he was in Christ Jesus.
Yes, yes.
And that when he came into existence,
at some point in the spirit world, in the spirit world,
he was conscious because God does not create non-living things.
Now, at that point, it was not just one man,
but every spirit of man.
What's within?
Which we agree with.
Yes, we have to agree.
I have to say that.
The theologians won 15 years.
Let's read that.
Then just perform it.
John chapter 9, verse 1-2.
The theologians won 15 years.
The theologians won 15 years.
Who is the invisible,
who is the image of the invisible God?
The first born of every creature.
For by him,
we are all things created that I am having,
and that I am half visible and invisible.
Whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers,
all things were created by him and for him.
And he is before all things,
and by him all things consist.
So this is just to show us the pre-existence of the Christ.
Yes, yes, yes.
And that even before the principalities were set in place,
all these things he existed,
then it says we were with him in him
before the foundations of the earth.
Now, I want you to understand that when God asks Job,
where were you in the foundation of the earth,
then asks when the sons of God shouted for joy,
and the sons of mourning sang.
And mourning starts.
And the mourning starts.
Yes, yes.
So at the creation,
at the very first foundation,
angels were existed.
Yes.
They had already been created.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
But they were created,
but they were not in a God like man is.
Like man is.
And I don't even know how to explain it.
This is where I try to distinguish it.
That man is the seed of God,
and not just the created of God.
And if I made a chair,
it's different from my daughter.
Your daughter was my seed.
She's always been inside of me.
They have all come out of you,
but one is coming from your loins and others.
Another is fashioned from whatever it is.
It's a creation basically.
Yes.
So it's what I was saying,
that everything on earth,
everything ever created,
has an image of God,
because it has sonship to God in terms of creation.
The original idea comes from him.
Yes.
That's what process also.
They visited by a bit of God.
Clearly seen Romans 20.
And so man has the seed and the DNA of God.
And so he doesn't just have the character and the nature.
He has the DNA of God.
He comes from inside of him.
So it's all things are created in Christ Jesus.
But man was more than just into the DNA of God.
He was a seed inside.
And God knew him from an intimate place.
Do you know the reason why
children don't go to hell and they don't when they die?
The reason children do not go to hell when they die
is because before their soul has been formed
to come to the age of consent.
Before they came on to this earth,
they had an intimate relationship with God.
With their father.
You understand it?
And so before that chord is severed by conscious sin,
they die, they go back to where they came from.
That's why they can't go to hell.
Let me give you an example.
Let's see if I can remember the scripture.
The first King chapter 14 is a very interesting scripture.
Verse 13.
Now, the summary of that story is this,
that there's a King called Jeroboam, an evoking.
That's King chapter 14.
God is angry with him.
And so the prophet Ahedja speaks to his wife and says,
your whole family is going to die because of the evo that you have done.
But read from verse 13.
Verse 13.
Verse 13.
Verse 14 13.
Now this King's child was sick.
And all Israel shall mourn for him and bury him
for he only of Jeroboam shall come to their grave.
Because in him there is found some good towards the Lord God of Israel
in the house of Jeroboam.
So this child hadn't even come to the age of consent yet.
He was sick.
The mother goes to see the prophet to see if they can pray for the child.
The prophet says, all of you are going to die.
But only the child would be buried because he still has some good.
Amen.
That means judgment could not fall on someone,
who could not appreciate right and wrong.
You understand?
Which Roman also agrees and says that they,
that perish without the law, having their conscious,
excusing or accusing them,
which is not a reality in a child.
You understand?
Shall be judged by that, by that essence.
So I believe that's the reality to me.
That means that even though in Adam all died and all have sinned,
that also has the process to eat.
Yeah.
Some before they hit their level or that state of consciousness
and consent to differentiate between good and evil.
They have not yet fallen.
They have not yet reached that level.
So it's called innocence.
I'm good as fucked at him.
Okay.
As fucked at him now.
And so these kids, before you came, you are intimate with good.
Now what happens is that when you enter the flesh
and you start to grow,
the major factor is restoring memory.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
That's why I don't know if I told you guys.
I had an experience a few months back
when a lady brought her child.
Three are old.
And she was saying,
my child says she remembers
before she was born.
Okay.
She saw me in the hospital
when I was pregnant with the first child.
She said,
she mentioned her grandfather,
the father of the lady,
who had died 16 years earlier,
mentioned him by name,
and said she had met him before he came,
before she came on earth.
Now, I love,
I love, I love,
I love that you're bringing it out,
but I would also love you to appreciate
because there's someone who's listening
and then you talk of she remembers before she was born
and they are first going to think
of what some religions preach concerning reincarnation.
But then again, I sort of love the way.
No, I haven't said she was here enough.
Yes, I actually love the way you say the term.
That she made the grandfather before she came on earth.
Yes, before she came on earth.
So she's referring to incidents when she was not on earth.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Which gives us an idea that there's some sort of consciousness
long before we enter this body.
And in Psalms that 139,
he said,
in your book,
all my days were written.
That means God is detailed.
Now, that's interesting.
When you are in a plan,
we might plan days that God has planned hours, seconds.
Oh, I seconded everything.
Everything God detailed has been pre-planned.
So we know this because scripture tells us
that some things are pre-appointed before time,
the day that you are born, the day that you die,
angels used to appear to people,
John the Baptist mother,
and declare that gender before the child is born.
So that means from the spiritual perspective,
the gender is not the same with Psalms on.
So you shall have a son.
Same with Jesus.
Yes, and there's a lot of something about,
when you talk about the days where Jesus preaches and says,
today, this day, this is fulfilled.
Meaning it is written somewhere,
but because he has grown through me,
but he has grown through me,
but he even knows when certain things are being fulfilled.
And I believe a bit of it are written in the scriptures,
but I believe there are more books.
We have to follow the pattern of Christ.
Before Jesus came, he was conscious.
Yes, yes, yes.
God did the pre-existence of Christ,
and because we were in him,
he had conscious answers.
When Jesus came here on earth,
he had to grow in wisdom and stature,
but also remember.
Okay, now I'm getting somewhere.
He tells these guys in John chapter 80,
he says,
before Abraham was, I was.
Yes, I am.
I am.
Yes, I am.
Before Abraham was, I am.
So he has reached a point
by the time he has studied his ministry,
where he has 100% recall.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I am 100% recall of his mission on earth.
Okay, but as we see as a young child,
because he did not have the body of sin,
because he was perfect by 12,
he had some semblance of a way that he is connected to.
The father was spiritual.
He had an assignment in something.
Like I must be about my father's business.
I believe, yes, yes.
So he knew the real lineage came from.
But the issue with us is that we only seek limitless.
And so we're given a mission,
all of us are sent here with a mission.
And this is why I need you to understand that
when we are sent here, we're sent here
in a very short period of time,
because life is short, to complete a mission,
like Jesus came and he knew his mission.
Now, if Jesus, who is God,
wanted to be a doctor,
would be the best doctor there's ever been.
If you wanted to be a swimmer,
you'd be the best swimmer there's ever been.
There's a liberty given to men to be whatever they want.
But the focus should be, the purpose that the mission.
That's why, to bring recall,
to remind you of that that you had.
One of the ways he does that is by dreams and visions.
And in Job 33, verse 15, he says,
he opens the ears of man to seal their instruction,
to turn him away from his own purpose.
So you have the liberty to do whatever it is you want.
And be perfect at it, but there is your mission.
There is your own purpose, and then he's good pleasure.
He's according to his purpose,
which the two have to be distinguished and differentiated
for you to stay the course that God has actually set for you.
I have to find where they meet.
When you say that, first of all, I thought about a man like Paul,
because he also reached and began to understand some of those things,
because he says,
will it please go to who separated me from my mother's room?
Okay, so he was able to also go beyond,
and we also see he's done right things in Titus,
like promises before the creation of the world and stuff like that.
So, yet we also see he had Osecoz and Papas,
but good encountered him some way,
and was able to bring him on.
And then also, I would also appreciate
that when the Bible says that when Jesus leaves you,
leave us with a comforter, who is the spirit of truth,
and then he goes on to say,
and he will remind you, which I think it is something that
brought up to bring all things to all things.
That I ever say, so the question is,
when did God begin speaking?
When you ask, because for example,
if you talk of sanctification,
it is a form of separation,
sometimes they are what's declared.
That means through dreams, visions,
and also our intercourse with the spirit of God,
it takes us to a remembrance,
and beyond here,
which is something that Paul was able to work in,
and I believe he was able to see these things here
by good taking to the bliss where the spirit of God
shows him that actually he reminds him
that we were in Christ.
We are a workmanship that was created in Christ Jesus.
A point of good work is appointed for good works.
That means a time before existing.
So I believe it's a part of the reminding.
So things, to clarify,
you existed before the foundation of the earth in Christ Jesus.
You are conscious.
Yes.
You knew God had intimacy with him.
Yes.
You were sent with an assignment.
Yes.
Right?
There was a memory problem.
Yes.
So you struggle to remember that which you are.
You came for.
And that's why there's the prophetic.
That's why there are visions and dreams.
That's why all these things encounter happen.
There are memories.
That's why there are deja vus.
Okay.
Because you've seen the path before.
Yeah.
You came to it.
You're spirit.
You're spirit existed in God.
But in my mind, it has a dual existence.
That when a child is formed inside a woman's belly,
the DNA within the blood contributes to the child.
But the spiritual DNA also contributes to how the child will appear.
This is so important.
Because you have the natural,
that's why a child will look like his parents.
Because there is information in the blood that will contribute to how you look.
However, there is also a spiritual DNA.
Okay.
That contributes to you.
And because we're so used to looking at ourselves in the mirror,
we're used to just our physical appearance.
And I remember when I had this discussion,
I asked because I've told you that our spirits existed,
but they had no form in the way we know form.
Okay.
But because you're the seed of God,
if someone's so youth that would see God,
they would see, I know they're all spring of God.
Yeah.
And it's different from like how the angels are,
because the scripture says,
Michael means one who's like God,
that has to do with character and nature.
Not look, but not seed form.
God-likeness.
Okay.
And so when a spirit enters the body,
it has what I'm calling to exist elsewhere.
There is a presence of that spirit in the loins of a man,
and there's a presence of that spirit in God.
True.
It's like how you're seated in heavenly places.
Jesus also was on earth.
And he said, who is in the amazing Muslim of the Father.
So I believe it's, I think maybe our mentality is,
I usually just limited to how we've understood the limitation of the flesh is here.
Yes.
But I believe the reality of this spirit is that,
you know, you know, Paul doesn't even call it you.
And I believe in heaven.
It's one spirit.
It's one spirit.
You're there.
You're here as well.
So God can send you, but you can also be in the loins of the man.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
So when scripture says that the life of the animal is in its blood,
we are going beyond the life of that very being,
because of the fact that there, you know, there is a whole lineage
that is yet to come,
be quoted within the DNA of the Muslim.
Yes.
And God is, God is, this thing is a mystery.
We shall talk about the mystery of blood sometime,
because blood is not physical.
It's physical.
Yes.
A blood is spiritual.
Yes.
And the sense that if a demon can drink blood,
that has been offered, a spirit can take the blood,
and the blood dries up in front of you.
That means that blood is not just physical.
Yes.
We also see the blood of a bell crying out to God.
Crying out to us.
Yes.
That means it's conscious.
It has a voice.
It has a voice.
And all these beings, the lineage in a bell,
is there consciously.
But also before God, before in God.
Interesting.
Interesting.
I want you to add some of this about what you talked of where
when a man is born, there is a form,
a region of the DNA, where he takes on the form of the parents,
and then also a region of the God seed,
or the DNA of God, he takes on the form.
When you look at 1st Corinthians,
he says, how beat?
15 to 46.
How beat that which was not the first which is spiritual,
but that which is natural.
After that which is spiritual, then says,
the first man is of the earth.
The second man is the Lord from heaven.
He says, as is earthy.
So also, are they any foot names what I want?
As we have born the image of the earth,
we shall also bear the image of the heaven,
meaning there is a dual manifestation within the man
of the image of the earth.
And of the spirit.
Yes, of the earth and the spiritual.
And you realize that in the same chapter,
he appreciates that there is a spiritual body,
which I believe sometimes the two things can work,
can coexist with him.
You see, you see.
You should go listen to that message
because I was explaining how the body's soul and spirit are all spirits.
Yes, yes, yes.
They're all spiritual.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
You see, there's a spiritual side to the body,
the spiritual side to the soul and the spiritual side to the spirit.
And just to add to that, right,
based on what you've just shared,
they all have consciousness.
Yes, yes.
That justifies the ability to even remember all of the members
being written down in his book.
And you see, the thing is people think,
the body is dead.
And this is where the problem is.
You see, your spirit is alive.
Everyone will agree with that.
Your soul is alive.
Everyone will agree with that.
But the body is also alive.
The body is very alive.
It has its own consciousness.
It has its own desires.
That's why it needs to be crucified.
You can't kill something that is not alive.
If in Paul asks that,
can the eyes say, can the head say,
to the leg that I don't need you?
So it shows us not just a consciousness in their body,
but the consciousness, if it goes down to even the parts of their body.
Which brings me to that revelation that I think is important.
Because if the body is alive,
the soul is alive.
The spirit is alive.
All this is man.
They all have memory.
There is the memory of the body,
the memory of the soul and the memory of the spirit.
And a man can tap into any one of those memories,
depending on how far he wants to go.
The memory of the body starts at conception.
Okay.
So there is nothing to remember for the body.
Before conception.
And you with me?
Because that's when you put on the body.
That's when you put on the body.
And actually, if you,
when you are in Christ,
when you are in Christ, you are a spirit.
In Christ Jesus, before the foundation of the earth.
And when scripture says,
and God breathed into man,
man became a living soul.
A living soul.
A living soul.
The soul is bat by the joining of spirit.
And body.
So I feel the body's memory starts from conception,
but the soul does the soul.
Interesting.
And the spirit of a man goes all the way back.
Conception.
The moment it's formed within the womb.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
And when they come out.
Because that's going to say.
If you are a doctor,
you know the difference.
Yes.
I understand that.
But then conception.
Yes.
The conception.
Yes.
When the seed and the egg meet.
Yes.
Because that's also what they took about Jeremiah.
Him being perfect.
Hmm.
Or then the grace is formed.
Yes.
And so when God is talking to Job and asking him,
where are you and I laid the foundation?
He's talking to the spirit of the man.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Because that part.
That part leads to no.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
But we'll drop on you.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
You know the scripture says that no man knows the things of this of the man.
The man said his spirit of man.
Yes.
That is really the things in his soul.
So should we say,
I'm just asking,
and I want to shed more light.
That they recall is for their body and they saw as the spirit need to recall.
Yes.
There's a memory of the spirit.
Okay.
Okay.
That's the difference between the recording of the spirit.
It's a memory of the spirit.
You see.
Okay.
Let's distinguish the two.
That's the reason.
There are things your body will remember.
Okay.
You know what?
They call muscle memory.
As a bird.
Yeah.
Science.
Yeah.
So your body remembers things from a physical perspective.
Yes.
There are things your soul remembers.
Smells, tastes.
Yes.
Yes.
And there are things your spirit will remember.
It will tap into deja fus and all those things that your spirit knows,
but your mind and body have not been acquainted with.
I acquainted with.
So you feel,
I know this.
I love the way you see it.
So,
so the remembering that the speech is the reconciliation of what this spirit knows.
Yes, the mind.
Into the mind.
Yes.
That's why I brought that scripture.
No mind knows the things.
Yes.
So, yes.
The spirit knows everything,
concerning you,
even before conception.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
So, and it's amazing.
The Bible says,
but those things,
which your spirit,
and I understand it,
knows,
I also revealed to you,
and I understand it by the working of the spirit.
Go ahead.
Within you.
So,
and that's because your spirit was disconnected from God,
from God,
from,
after the fall.
After the fall.
After the fall.
Because of that disconnection,
you need the spirit of God,
to reignite that right.
Right.
Right.
But can you,
can you,
is it why they call it a candle?
But you kind of
is like reignating.
Yeah.
Can you shed light on the difference between our existence,
for your conception,
you know,
for conception,
and the fact that we were in good,
than,
you know,
the differentiation between the two,
in that God remains God,
and yet we were in Him.
So, like they say,
you know,
Levi played in Abraham.
So, every experience that Abraham had,
Levi had it essentially.
But there is a beginning of Levi at a certain point,
you know.
Yeah, can you shed something like that?
The thing is,
that's why,
when we just started,
I said,
based on scripture,
we cannot pinpoint
at what point man came into existence.
Oh,
because you cannot pinpoint that.
Yeah.
It's,
it's very hard to go farther.
And that we just know,
God was.
So, it just happened,
that's how it passed away.
It happened,
and that's what we can tell.
We can't tell,
we can't tell.
This scripture that,
I love Jesus talking to Nicodemus at night,
and it told him that,
that which is born of the flesh's relation,
that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
Yeah.
Right,
but I would like to hear you delve deeper.
With that one.
Maybe,
maybe,
maybe,
the first place it will help us is shedding,
or light on what he talked about.
Yes.
That,
in you,
is that which is born of flesh?
Also,
before,
okay,
we even talk about the born again,
experience and stuff like that,
because that was a statement.
I,
I usually call them,
statements that reviewed truth,
and I stand in this spirit.
So,
when Jesus was explaining
Nicodemus,
he brings out a principle,
and I stand,
which will help Nicodemus understand certain things.
You get it,
because they asked him,
you,
you must understand,
you know,
these things,
that which is born of flesh,
is flesh,
meaning there is a part of you,
but in one dimension of understanding,
there is a part,
you know,
that is born by flesh,
and I stand,
there is a part of you,
that has its origin,
by this spirit,
and I stand,
which,
let me ask you.
Do you know what is born of spirit?
It is spiritual.
So,
can something spiritual give birth
to something flesh?
Yes,
they holy spirit,
over shadowed Mary,
over shadowed Mary,
and,
but you see the interest,
then you've just broken the root,
that which is born of flesh,
and that is born of flesh.
Maybe we are to understand,
because,
that which is born of God over comes the world,
meaning,
is that which can be born actually,
by God who's spirit,
you understand,
and takes on form in the world.
You understand?
I think maybe in that explanation,
the Lord is trying to bring us that,
in terms of what His meaning here is,
the way His distinct concept from,
because the spirit,
anything spiritual,
can have a form,
here,
the realm of manifestation.
I believe that.
So,
spirit can give birth to what can be seen physically.
You understand?
The flesh can also give birth to what can be seen physically.
But in that essence,
we are talking of the nature of what is born.
You understand?
The nature of what is born.
You know,
there are three realms.
It is the realm of the flesh,
the realm of the soul,
the realm of the spirit.
Man has a capacity to tap into our realms.
Now,
there are things
that a man has
because they are drawn from who,
but in physical.
Okay.
Yeah.
We are listening.
Yes.
We are listening.
So,
essentially,
we are by just to give a visual.
What is happening when a porter is forming,
you know,
like working out that porter.
That experience is happening.
The forming is happening continually.
Each man that comes into existence.
So,
Yes.
Yes.
Why,
Bath is a miracle.
Yes.
My man is a miracle.
Your physical part,
your flesh,
your parents who contribute to it,
will be physical and obvious.
The eyes will be the same.
The height.
If you don't pick it from your father,
you pick it from your grandfather.
However, father, you go.
Also,
the soul,
picks things,
character.
Okay.
I have things that are drawn from the parent.
So,
where was the faith of Timoth?
Now,
at the faith of Timoth is spiritual,
it's not soul.
Okay.
It's not soul.
It's not soul.
So,
this is where
the thing of the spiritual DNA
now flows through a man.
And for those who don't understand Timoth,
the scripture says
that you have the same faith that was in your grandmother.
And your motherliness,
that the same space works in you.
So,
it is not the flesh of a father,
that bath,
the faith of Timoth.
Interesting.
You understand?
Because that,
which is one of flesh.
It's flesh.
It's flesh.
But,
even the faith of a man,
in Lewis and Lewis.
You are losing many questions.
I'm about to finish.
Okay.
So, okay.
This is a question,
it's a lesson I'm going to ask you.
So,
this spiritual entity,
could it only be transferred
with the manas,
let's say they file that faith.
Could that faith go to Timoth as well?
Could I answer that?
You could correct me,
but for my understanding,
this spirit giving path to spirit,
even this aspect of faith being,
you know,
you know,
you know,
this spiritual identity,
not the flesh side.
So, it's also possible that the faith
could have been in the father
and grandfather,
and flown that lineage.
Yeah.
So,
so,
let's be clear.
And we'll have to talk about genealogies here
at another time.
It's spiritual genealogies.
There are things by God's grace
that are deposited in lineages
from the time,
from the beginning of time.
That flows spiritual,
as long as you come from that bloodline.
Then,
the genealogies that can be begun
by a man tapping into a grace.
So, it wasn't in his bloodline,
but he starts it and it flows through.
Still, that is,
which is spirit.
I'll be getting spirit.
Yes.
You're getting what I'm saying,
okay?
So,
it's part of the person's body,
the person's soul,
the person's spirit.
And that spirit can be both negative
and good,
just like soul can be both negative and good,
even body,
like sicko cells and what,
it can be both negative and good.
So,
that's why
there's a time of teaching,
and I was explaining
that
there are children
who could
determine who their parents are.
You cannot just allow
any kind of parent,
any kind of parent.
I need to understand
that there's the perfect will of God and His permission.
We think
that all our parents
are predetermined.
They might be pre-known,
for knowledge,
but they are parents
who are specifically chosen.
It says,
it goes to Mary.
And Joseph,
and Joseph's place was not for DNA.
You understand that?
Joseph had another purpose altogether.
Menoa,
the father of some
specifically chosen,
joined the Baptist spirits,
specifically.
But that's not the same throughout.
That's why,
if you look through the scriptures,
the Bible says,
go back and read,
that when Abraham sent out the servant
to go and look for a wife,
the servant asks,
what if?
I don't,
what if then you free your father.
Then you free of that vow.
God will appoint another.
He's that kind of freedom
that a majority of people,
by the way,
have.
Interesting.
Because the servant reaches
and has to fast pray
for God to bring this specific woman,
not just the new injustice.
This is the Genesis 24 verse 3.
It says,
and I will make this whereby,
the Lord, that God of heaven,
and the God of the earth,
that you shall not take a wife
to my son,
of the dothas of the Canaanites,
among whom I dwell.
But you shall go
and to my country,
and to my kindred,
and take a wife,
and to my son,
Isaac.
I,
I,
now I'm laughing,
because I have a question.
So,
we're about to end up.
We're about to end up.
So, now,
this look at a minor like,
Jaco,
who do you think was?
The perfect rule of good
for signing the wife,
that was a calm stance,
was still good working.
It's still good working.
You see,
the thing is,
the scripture says,
when Jaco,
so,
Rachel,
he loved her.
Instant.
It's not like,
it was instant from day one.
The moment he saw her,
he loved her.
Now,
tradition,
says,
the older,
astomeric bust,
and good is not a good tradition.
But his purpose can still work,
and then tradition,
because Judah came from,
because he had one day.
One time someone arguing that,
Jaco was,
oh, it could have been rare,
but then he also thinking,
if in Joseph,
I think that,
yeah,
you see there,
we're,
the Bible is silent,
so we're cherry picking it.
We also see,
the lot preventing,
I believe it was a bimele,
I'm sleeping with Sarah.
Yes, yes.
You know,
it's prohibited for a certain sense.
Let me tell you,
not all women are the same.
All women are the same.
And one day,
which,
but,
there are those,
see,
see,
see,
see,
but at home,
we need to,
there are,
there are,
there are,
because women are incubators,
or particular seed.
There are,
is it right?
I would say,
he that finds a wife,
meaning,
in many women,
not everyone codifies.
You know,
we're going down there.
Yes, it's,
no,
no,
we're digressing,
but still,
okay,
we're still in the conversation.
But man,
I'm trying to summarize it so that I don't,
don't go down this,
you know,
but many people,
when they read that scripture,
he finds a wife,
the perception they have,
is from the natural,
that she must have the posture of a wife.
And I've had people preach that,
and to some extent,
it has some credit to it.
She must have been brought up,
will be ready to be a wife,
because you're a wife before you,
you marry a wife.
You don't,
she's not a wife when she gets married.
When she gets married,
okay,
but you see,
from my perspective,
from the spiritual perspective,
there's an appointed,
an appointed wife.
No,
this is for each one.
It's natural,
like they are made.
They understand,
but it also,
but permissible will,
gives you freedom,
to say no,
or yes.
And yet,
and yet,
that also varies,
but there's a lot of questions.
And yet,
and yet,
that varies also,
from person to person in the past.
Yes,
how possible people who do not have the freedom,
by virtue of the color upon their lives,
they don't have the freedom to marry anyone,
but the majority of people can.
Because,
and we use examples through scripture,
the divides,
the divides,
the divides,
you know,
specifically,
the priestly,
yes,
yes,
specific.
You see,
as far as we know through scripture,
comes from the end of children.
Yes.
Okay.
Now,
there was a low in the times of some sort.
They were not allowed to marry,
for in us,
but you go and read the scripture,
the Bible says,
I'm good.
Yes.
To marry.
To marry.
To marry.
Yes.
And it's interesting,
it was for the purpose of which,
so that his purposes might be fulfilled.
The purpose of it.
That's why some son had no children,
because God's purpose was not to have children.
His purpose was to destroy the feelings.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
But,
generally I'm married.
So,
there,
generally you should be careful who you marry.
Yeah.
Okay.
But,
there are people who have the leeway and the freedom.
And you'll know by virtue of the call upon their lives.
Okay.
There are people who are struggling.
If you look through the stories of major anointings
that have lived on this earth,
their wives played the vital roles.
They might have not have been as loud,
but they were very vital in the ministry.
Billy Graham often credited his wife.
Sure.
Billy Graham's story and the wife is as interesting.
It's interesting.
There's a man that wrote in a book
and he had,
he was giving an account of an experience in heaven.
And so he was meeting.
He met this great man who had,
you know,
of that great books.
And it was so excited to meet you,
you probably already know who I'm talking about.
It was so excited to meet the author of the books.
But when he started to commune with a man,
the man told him,
they were away.
All these books that I published was really the homage.
Because the one behind them all,
people don't know.
The world doesn't know.
But all my greatness is really credited to her.
She was the one giving the revelations that he was, you know, who.
And I think we also see a consistent pattern.
Because the Bible says a witness of two or three,
but as established across the kings of Judah,
you realize that whenever a goodly human was married
to the king,
they said that came out.
The children were goodly.
Oh, good.
Look at Jesus.
Yeah.
Whenever the mother was funny,
the children who came out were fine.
And it's interesting.
It didn't matter.
There's a common sense.
It didn't matter whether the temple was alive,
whether worship was alive,
or it didn't matter whether the nation was in a post-arsi.
The child who took the throne,
that came out of that to us the mother.
But can I tell you something as we conclude?
Because I feel like it's important to say this.
I've said it before in ministry.
I'll say that there are children
who are born because of a posture.
They are those born because of an act.
They act of sleeping.
They are those born because of a particular posture.
And it's my understanding through studying scripture
that it didn't matter.
Because Jacob was uncurring the seed.
Who gave birth was dependent on the posture?
Not all God chose Leah.
God chose Rachel.
You understand? Who came?
It depended on the posture of the person.
So the seed was already in the man.
But the posture.
Because the Bible says,
and she cried out to God and said,
Now God does.
Judea, praise is the man.
Judea comes out.
So it's not, if the other one had done.
If that had done, then the Judea would have come.
You see?
And it's very, very important.
Because the Bible says not a respecter of persons.
There are things that God looks for in a person.
It's all Mary blessed amongst women.
Among women.
But she was, maybe it's just 17 years ago.
She possibly have done.
And I know some people say she's the whole year.
No, no.
It was a posture.
Because the posture says that they are lonely.
They are angry and stuff like that.
Have you chosen and cast away the that are proud?
It's shed a posture towards certain things of God.
And she actually understood that because of that posture.
Maybe she was qualified.
I think that's why the Bible is not specific about which version.
And that's why somewhere was born to Hana.
To Hana.
Yes.
Please understand.
He was always in the seed of Elkan.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
I've never come through the other women.
And that's why you can give birth to a hundred kids.
And all of them are just the act.
You've contributed to the multiplication.
But they're children that are reward.
That are posture.
And can come through someone else.
Okay.
We have come to a conclusion.
This is in line with what you are sharing.
Oh, different men are born either by the will of the flesh.
The will of mine or the will of God.
Yeah.
And says actually the scripture says not born of the flesh of the blood.
No, the will of man, but the will of God.
And he's talking about different dimensions of how men can come onto this earth.
Because a child can be born because of the will of a man.
Which is actually, oh, I want to sleep with you.
You see?
And the two can combine the will of God and the will of man.
Oh, okay.
We're going to have to come to a conclusion.
We've touched so many things we've started from the eternal.
And come to marriage and sexual activity.
But what I want you to understand is that you are predetermined.
You pre-existed.
Your entire path is foreknown.
And it can be revealed to you.
The next time we have a chat, please send in some questions so that we can see where we can start from.
For now, we'll just say God bless you.
See you next time.
Okay.
Well, thank you guys.
I've been listening to the RDM radio.
This is Derek and here I was speaking.
I've been with Prophet George.
The commander who is also doctor and Rabbi Daniel Malinga.
Thank you.
See you next time.